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Post by explorerman on Nov 27, 2012 14:08:07 GMT -5
Tulane (All Sports) to the Big East
ECU (Football Only) to the Big East
And on the A-10 board, rumors from ECU are that the rest of sports are coming to the A-10.
I would not understand that at all. ECU over Creighton (whose President is the former head at SJU who said they would have interest in joining). At this point, distance should not matter. You are going to STL and Butler already, what is another state over in the grand schemes of things.. Especially if Creighton makes the dance that year because La Salle's share of Creighton's NCAA appearance would cover most, if not all, of the travel travel costs.
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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 27, 2012 14:28:38 GMT -5
Anyone else completely sick of realignment?
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 27, 2012 14:41:53 GMT -5
The Big East is not the Big East anymore. So congratulations Temple. All those games against Tulane and DePaul just scream "Big East"
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Post by ltrain38 on Nov 27, 2012 14:44:45 GMT -5
The Big East seems to be grasping for a way to handle the inevitable bolt of the remaining big players (UConn, Louisville, Cincy). If that happens, Temple will have gained nothing because their football league won't be better than the one they left. Made sense at the time, but that ship is sinking.
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Post by ltrain38 on Nov 27, 2012 14:47:01 GMT -5
I mean, it is a better football league, but probably not a part of the future "power conference" lineup, so not that much payoff. As for ECU, don't want think they have a place in the A-10.
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Post by stlexplorer on Nov 27, 2012 18:48:42 GMT -5
Basically the Big East is now a glorified Conference USA
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 27, 2012 19:49:25 GMT -5
It's still going to be a good conference, it's just not the Big East. No Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC (an original member that was ahead of its time in a football money grab) and probably eventually no UConn, but with Tulane, Memphis, and Houston, makes it an entirely different conference.
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Post by calsufan on Nov 27, 2012 20:10:28 GMT -5
Tulane? Seriously? That's the best they can do for the vaunted Big East? They're becoming a shell of their former self.
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 27, 2012 23:07:48 GMT -5
Which Big East Catholic school(s) does/do the A-10 poach first? I'm guessing Seton Hall and Providence.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 27, 2012 23:26:21 GMT -5
There's a scenario where the Catholic schools in te Bog East could have enough control to dissolve the "Big East" and form their own hoops-only league
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 27, 2012 23:34:44 GMT -5
Be careful what you wish for. Any re-alignment where the St. John's and Seton Hall's of the world combine with A-10 teams almost certainly leaves us out in the cold. It's silly to debate, but we would currently be 4th in their preference for a Philly school, and it's unlikely they'd take more than 2.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 8:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by explorerman on Nov 28, 2012 11:06:53 GMT -5
There's a scenario where the Catholic schools in te Bog East could have enough control to dissolve the "Big East" and form their own hoops-only league This rumor has been shot down on the A-10 with several logical reasons... The first one starts with the fact that ND would look at that before joining the ACC.. They did and decided that it wasn't happening.. Not to mention, why would the catholic A-10 leave the A-10 for that.. It isn't a better basketball conference and probably not getting the same money as the A-10 deal is. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 28, 2012 11:10:59 GMT -5
La Salle, St Joes, St Johns, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, Georgetown, Dayton, Xavier, Fordham - forms a nice basketball-only league of Catholic Universities.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 11:21:18 GMT -5
La Salle, St Joes, St Johns, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, Georgetown, Dayton, Xavier, Fordham - forms a nice basketball-only league of Catholic Universities. Hate to burst your bubble Hoops, but if there does end up being a basketball-only league, it will be modeled after the original Big East, and La Salle has zero shot at being invited and St Joe's chances wouldn't be very good either. Most likely, only one team per market, and Villanova would be the Phila-area school. If they would take a second school, it would be the Hawks. Pray that it doesn't come to this because La Salle will either be in a very watered-down A10 or the MAAC. |
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Post by explorerman on Nov 28, 2012 11:30:50 GMT -5
La Salle, St Joes, St Johns, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, Georgetown, Dayton, Xavier, Fordham - forms a nice basketball-only league of Catholic Universities. Hate to burst your bubble Hoops, but if there does end up being a basketball-only league, it will be modeled after the original Big East, and La Salle has zero shot at being invited and St Joe's chances wouldn't be very good either. Most likely, only one team per market, and Villanova would be the Phila-area school. If they would take a second school, it would be the Hawks. Pray that it doesn't come to this because La Salle will either be in a very watered-down A10 or the MAAC. Exactly.. Hoops again.. This "Catholic conference" idea has been shot down by basic logic on the A-10 board by numerous people.. I encourage you to look at it.. Several reasons that I am just too tired to post... I will give you another reason.. Besides that the TV money wouldn't be better than the A-10 (or a noticeable difference) is look at those schools.. Outside of Marquette and Georgetown.. The schools are not attractive or good.. The rest would be bottom half or bottom 3 teams in the A-10.. How does this help Xavier, Dayton, Fordham, St Joes or La Salle.. Side note: Fordham's board has talked about the Patriot League in their recorded minutes as they DO NOT want to invest the money in athletics |
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 28, 2012 11:35:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like to hate on my alma mater, but Seton Hall, Georgetown, and St. John's, who all play their Home Games in NBA arenas, aren't going to want us in that league. The idea of Catholic schools banding together is something out of the 1920's, not the 2010's. Dollars rule all now.
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Post by coachd on Nov 28, 2012 13:19:55 GMT -5
I guess we better get our arena on the building stage soon then. Having the best arena in the Big 5 on par with Temple would go far in the changing conference landscape.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 28, 2012 14:38:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like to hate on my alma mater, but Seton Hall, Georgetown, and St. John's, who all play their Home Games in NBA arenas, aren't going to want us in that league. The idea of Catholic schools banding together is something out of the 1920's, not the 2010's. Dollars rule all now. Cynical, but dead on. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 28, 2012 16:07:20 GMT -5
When I win tonight's powerball, the blue prints for our new arena will be drawn up.
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 28, 2012 17:19:26 GMT -5
The big arenas hurt the Big East Catholic schools, I think. Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul all play in front of half-full arenas (if that) miles from their campuses. If you notice, those schools are also range from "eh" to "awful" in college basketball. Georgetown and Marquette are really good and we all know what Villanova is. But Georgetown draws 10,000 a game in a 20,000 seat arena. Villanova doesn't draw great, save for a few marquee games, but at least mitigates that by having a small on-campus arena. The only Catholic school in the Big East that draws at all is Marquette.
I'm also starting to think Temple's going to have some buyer's remorse for this whole thing. There's not going to be a ton of difference between the MAC and C-USA and the Big East in football once this thing completely shakes out. And with all the schools that matter, save for a few, leaving the Big East, what's the point?
I am sick of the "What ifs" also but I can't help it! Here's some conjecture on my end!
What if: Depaul, Marquette and St. Louis joined the Missouri Valley Conference? And we picked up Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Villanova and one more school -- Hofstra or Siena, for instance? (Or if Temple stays?)
All of a sudden, you're talking about a basketball conference that has 20 teams. That's a lot but that's where this whole thing is headed, anyways. That number could also fluctuate (UMass going to the Big East or wherever, Fordham going to the Patriot League) a bit.
I actually like the position we're in compared to other schools.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 28, 2012 17:58:42 GMT -5
cocqui- I think something like that is what ultimately ends up happening. I just don't see us on the right side of the fracture is all.
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Post by sweat83 on Nov 28, 2012 19:59:01 GMT -5
I get this deja vu all over again feeling that 5 years from now, we're playing in an East Coast Conference-like Conference.
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Post by jellybean on Dec 3, 2012 16:11:26 GMT -5
For what it's worth, a friend who lives in Charlottesville VA is saying there are rumors that UVA and Georgia Tech will join Big Ten (or Big 14). He told me ( I can't argue with him) that both schools presently receive $17-18 million from ACC Basketball TV contract and the Big Ten Network will blow those numbers away. Let's see if he's right?
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