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Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 3, 2014 19:09:48 GMT -5
Not to belabor the obvious, but what is badly needed next year and beyond is ideally someone who can both create his own shot opportunities and knock down open 3's on a consistent basis. In the absence of another Lionel Simmons, Michael Brooks, Rasual Butler or a Steve Smith, we at least need the next Hubie Marshall, Tim Legler, Jack Hurd, Darnell Harris, Earl Pettis or Ramon Galloway. WOW!! Hubie Marshall - good to hear his name again. I remember when Street & Smith used to put out a regional college BB magazine in the late fall. After his junior year, Hubie was on the glossy inside cover of the next issue. Great memory. BTW - you should have included Bernie Williams on your outside shooter list.
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 3, 2014 20:50:22 GMT -5
Bernie Williams was a very very good player who played on the great 69 team with Kenny D., Larry C., R.Taylor and others. Bernie was a 6'-5" guard who went on to play profesional basketball. Yes a Bernie like player would look great as an Explorer. Maybe Price or Roberts will be that player. Hubie played I believe in the mid 60's.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 3, 2014 21:01:49 GMT -5
I haven't seen even a second of him on the court, but that's Roberts' profile to a T, right?
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 3, 2014 21:18:34 GMT -5
Nobody is saying Roberts or Price can be as good as Bernie Williams because he was that good but you never know one of these two players may get close. Roberts would be more like Williams than Price who is a bull compared to both Williams and Roberts. Bernie was a big guard in his day. In the A10 Price could easily play a small forward position or even the 4 position at times with his large frame.
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 3, 2014 21:24:30 GMT -5
Sorry Bernie Williams height should have been 6'-3" not 6'-5". Good size for late 60's.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Feb 3, 2014 21:51:48 GMT -5
If you google Roland "Fatty" Taylor, you'll find a fabulous article on his inspiring journey through life. Also how a La Salle assistant coach recruiting him at Dodge City Junior College showed him a photo of fellow DC homeboy Bernie Williams in a La Salle program. Fatty signed on with La Salle right away after that 'cause he played with Williams in the DC playgrounds.
Williams could hit from NBA three point land with ease. His shot with a thing of beauty to watch. I was at the infamous loss to South Carolina in the slowdown game in the Quaker City Tournament at the Spectrum. I always thought that Bernie Williams was the most frustrated of all the La Salle guys. His game was thrown off since he felt he had to shoot if he touched the ball since he might never touch it again. All our guys were obviously frustrated but I think it had the most impact on Williams.
I can never recall such a truly bitter college BB crowd outside an arena. I will always consider McGuire to be a disgrace for playing that stall game even though it was legal. Darn! - we would have gone undefeated and been duly recognized as one of the best NCAA teams of all time - not just Philly's best.
BTW - going back to the Fatty Taylor article. It describes how Jim Harding was a total psycho. Taylor has never forgiven him and says he would punch him today even if he saw him in a wheelchair. Probably sorta kidding, but accurate on Harding as a nutbag.
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Post by fvp47 on Feb 3, 2014 22:45:07 GMT -5
Hubie Marshall played his senior year in the 65-66 season. Williams, Cannon, King, all high school All Americans were on the freshman team during that year. Also Curt Marshsll , Hubies brother and Stan W. who was PA All State.
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 4, 2014 10:50:56 GMT -5
I'm definitely not expecting a win on Wednesday up at UMASS because of the way we've played a majority of the season, but UMASS has really struggled since A-10 play started. If anyone can slow down Chaz Williams, it is the duo of Khalid Lewis and Sam Mills. I expect the line on this game to be around 2-3. Line will almost certainly be closer to 10. If it's 2-3, stay the hell away because some funny business is going on.
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 4, 2014 10:57:46 GMT -5
Gymrat67 based on what J.Price (5.4 pts, 1.8 rebds. in less than 15 min per game including coming back from injury)and C.Roberts (8.6 pts., 2.5 rbds.. in 27 min. per game)did as freshman I feel certain that these two players match up favorably with Marshall thru Galloway you listed. They may not shoot as well as Legler or Harris but then again how many players do but other than that they project as very good A10 caliber players. I totally believe they will be better players than Pettis, Hurd (who were good players) and as far as someone like Harris it is hard to compare because they are different type players. Will they be as good as Galloway only time will tell but they are better players than we are used to getting. Without going back and reviewing freshman seasons (for Garland and Galloway)I think both Price and Roberts stats were better than Galloway and Garlands which doesn't mean squat but I guess you have to look at something. What?! Just a reminder that Jack Hurd started on a 26-win team as a freshman and scored 26 points in an NCAA Tournament game. We should be thrilled if either one of them is a better player than Hurd. Ditto, Pettis. But I'm glad they compare favorably to Legler, Marshall, Ramon, etc based on decent points per minute averages as freshman. I'll also remind you the SEC is worse than the A-10. Pump the brakes a little. Sounds like they'll be valuable additions, but let's wait til we see them suit up for us.
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Post by coachd on Feb 4, 2014 11:04:27 GMT -5
I haven't seen even a second of him on the court, but that's Roberts' profile to a T, right? And here we thought you knew and saw everything!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 11:39:17 GMT -5
If anyone can slow down Chaz Williams, it is the duo of Khalid Lewis and Sam Mills. I expect the line on this game to be around 2-3. Line will almost certainly be closer to 10. If it's 2-3, stay the hell away because some funny business is going on. Line will be 6-7 at minimum and maybe as high as 10 like BP says. Also, I don't like Sam trying to cover Williams. Sam is better suited covering shooting guards and small forwards. He's a good defender but is not nearly as effective against small quick guards. The last few years against UMass, he has spent most of his time covering Putney. Putney is very athletic but his inability to go left and lack of physical strength has allowed Sam to do a decent job against him. It's the same reason why Sam was able to shut down CJ Aiken of St Joe's. Ramon (and Tyreek to a lesser degree) were the ones who covered Williams the bulk of the time. Someone will need to step it up and fill Ramon's role and slow down Williams and in particular, the help defense will need to be there.
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Post by MisterD on Feb 4, 2014 12:12:23 GMT -5
I haven't seen even a second of him on the court, but that's Roberts' profile to a T, right? And here we thought you knew and saw everything! By "we" do you mean you and Steve and Al Miller?
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 4, 2014 12:49:18 GMT -5
Broderick Jack Hurd was a good player who was a solid shooter, solid rebounder, ok defender but could not create. Don't forget he was ignored to some degree by other teams because they had their hands full with three future NBA players. I will be dissappointed if one of the two are not better players than Hurd because both have similar skills but clearly are quicker particularly in Roberts case. I think you may be over rating Hurd because like it or not his life as a basketball player was made a lot easier playing with Simmons, Overton and Woods.
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 4, 2014 12:55:20 GMT -5
Broderick said three years ago Wright would be a player we would not forget, not Simmons great but a very good player how did that turn out. Also liked Duren a lot and he is even better than what I expected. No one said that Roberts or Price would be great all I am saying is they will be good to very good A10 players. My guees is this will all be forgotten until they have a bad game and then I will hear it but it won't be that often because they are solid to good players.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Feb 4, 2014 13:55:57 GMT -5
"Pump the brakes a little. Sounds like they'll be valuable additions, but let's wait til we see them suit up for us."
BP has cred!
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Post by durenduren on Feb 4, 2014 14:25:04 GMT -5
I'm not buying into any of this until I see them on the court, wearing a La Salle jersey with Gianinni blowing a gasket on the bench.
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 4, 2014 16:19:41 GMT -5
You guys are funny. We get a recruit (who never played one college game)and many say they are really good. Then we get two recruits who have already established themselves as freshman in college and looked fairly good doing it and you guys say tone it down. I never said they were going to be great I stated that I believe they are going to be good to very good by the time they finish at La Salle. OK they will be a total failure that should make some happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 17:40:20 GMT -5
Line will almost certainly be closer to 10. If it's 2-3, stay the hell away because some funny business is going on. Line will be 6-7 at minimum and maybe as high as 10 like BP says. Also, I don't like Sam trying to cover Williams. Sam is better suited covering shooting guards and small forwards. He's a good defender but is not nearly as effective against small quick guards. The last few years against UMass, he has spent most of his time covering Putney. Putney is very athletic but his inability to go left and lack of physical strength has allowed Sam to do a decent job against him. It's the same reason why Sam was able to shut down CJ Aiken of St Joe's. Ramon (and Tyreek to a lesser degree) were the ones who covered Williams the bulk of the time. Someone will need to step it up and fill Ramon's role and slow down Williams and in particular, the help defense will need to be there. Line opened at UMass -9 and currently sits at -7.5. Not good for the Explorers who haven't covered as an away dog all season.
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 4, 2014 18:09:37 GMT -5
First of all, everybody was expecting to see Jerrell be an impact player. He was only the Markward Award winner. Congratulations on identifying him as a nice prospect, though.
Second, I fully expect Roberts and Price to be impact players and am hopeful one or both can be all-conference type players.
However, saying they're higher caliber than the likes of Hurd, Legler, Marshall, Galloway, etc. is getting WAY ahead of things. We'll be very lucky if any of them are that sort of player.
And let me stand up for Hurd. You say his buckets were easy because he played with 3 NBA players. In reality, he played 1 of his 4 seasons with all 3 of those players and it was the only season of his career in which he struggled as he swung from SG to SF and saw less touches. He was huge as a freshman on a team that really needed him (he was replacing Legler) and a senior and an incredible 3rd wheel as a junior (and was huge when Woods was suspended the 1st 6 games of that season). In his senior year, in particular, every opponent knew Hurd and Woods were going to shoot 40 shots per game and keyed on him. He had such a high, quick release that he got his shot off accurately whenever he wanted and hardly needed any time or space. If you can't recognize how valuable and rare that skill set is, you haven't watched the 2013-14 Explorers' plethora of players that need 10 feet of space in front of them to get a brick off.
Rant over.
I think we both really hope Roberts and Price are great players. You're within your rights to expect the world, but I just want to make sure nobody is underselling what a player Hurd was. He might not have had great lateral quickness, but he had great hands on defense and always gave up his body. We'd be lucky to ever find another player quite like him.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 4, 2014 19:36:00 GMT -5
Not saying these kids coming in aren't going to be good, but some of these comparisons with Tyrone are doing him an injustice. He plays a full season last year, he gets A10 6th Man Award. Let's not act as if he's "average" because these kids need to be pretty good to be better than him.
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Post by gymrat67 on Feb 4, 2014 19:43:18 GMT -5
In what caliber of talent do you folks rank Donnie Carr and Doug Overton ?
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Post by lwc4591 on Feb 4, 2014 20:03:36 GMT -5
No wonder Mik doesn't post anymore
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Post by broderickpresident on Feb 4, 2014 20:30:12 GMT -5
In what caliber of talent do you folks rank Donnie Carr and Doug Overton ? In my 25-odd years following the program, Overton is easily the best PG they've had. Ankle injury late in his senior season derailed what was an All-American performance to that point (and cost us an NCAA bid and him 1st-round draft pick status). Donnie got a lot out of limited athleticism IMO, but had to carry an incredible burden for much of his career, leading to some awful shooting numbers and a selfish label I'm not sure he entirely deserved. Then by the time he had some help, he got sick. Once upon a time, we were legitimately envisioning a recruiting class of Carr, Kobe and Rip.
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