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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 27, 2024 21:17:46 GMT -5
Andy Enfield to SMU If Dru Joyce gets Duquesne and Bronny doesn’t go pro I think it’s very possible Bronny goes to Duquesne On what planet is the 8th man on a losing USC team a one and done NBA player. He's a 6'4 combo guard that averaged like PPG. He can't shoot. He was never 5 star recruit worthy, he was never McDonald's All American worthy, and he's not NBA worthy as a 19 year old freshman. Bronny was always A10 level. He's not an A10 stud, but he's A10 level. Put it this way, the best thing about getting Bronny, is that team's NIL fund will be stocked to either retain players or sign other players. It wouldn't be getting Bronny as a player. |
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 28, 2024 6:55:02 GMT -5
Andy Enfield to SMU If Dru Joyce gets Duquesne and Bronny doesn’t go pro I think it’s very possible Bronny goes to Duquesne On what planet is the 8th man on a losing USC team a one and done NBA player. He's a 6'4 combo guard that averaged like 3 PPG. He can't shoot. He was never 5 star recruit worthy, he was never McDonald's All American worthy, and he's not NBA worthy as a 19 year old freshman. Bronny was always A10 level. He's not an A10 stud, but he's A10 level. Put it this way, the best thing about getting Bronny, is that team's NIL fund will be stocked to either retain players or sign other players. It wouldn't be getting Bronny as a player. He is a one and done guy because the team that drafts him probably signs Lebron. If you’re a team on the verge of being a championship contender and say you have the 20th pick or later you draft him. He’s a good player but not a Top 25 kid (McDonald’s) so you’re right there. But he’s Top 150 |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 28, 2024 7:22:18 GMT -5
If you draft a guy in the first round who you don't think belongs on an NBA roster, in hopes of getting his 40 year old Dad for one or two seasons, you're playing a pretty high risk game that's unlikely to pay off. But it would be funny to see someone try it. Ultimately probably really bad for Bronny James (especially if Lebron ends up not going to that team), but it would be interesting. I'd also like to see how teams dance around trying to figure out Lebron's plans without getting smacked with a tampering charge.
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 28, 2024 7:28:57 GMT -5
On what planet is the 8th man on a losing USC team a one and done NBA player. He's a 6'4 combo guard that averaged like 3 PPG. He can't shoot. He was never 5 star recruit worthy, he was never McDonald's All American worthy, and he's not NBA worthy as a 19 year old freshman. Bronny was always A10 level. He's not an A10 stud, but he's A10 level. Put it this way, the best thing about getting Bronny, is that team's NIL fund will be stocked to either retain players or sign other players. It wouldn't be getting Bronny as a player. He is a one and done guy because the team that drafts him probably signs Lebron. If you’re a team on the verge of being a championship contender and say you have the 20th pick or later you draft him. He’s a good player but not a Top 25 kid (McDonald’s) so you’re right there. But he’s Top 150 Right now...the Lakers are projected to pick 16th-ish. So if Bronny is sitting there, do the Lakers draft him, and have him play with his 40 yr old Dad who will be entering his 22nd NBA season, with about 23 seasons of NBA wear and tear? |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 28, 2024 8:06:21 GMT -5
Ultimately probably really bad for Bronny James I'm sure all the other guys in the league will be cool with Bronny being a first rounder because dad. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2024 9:07:04 GMT -5
On what planet is the 8th man on a losing USC team a one and done NBA player. He's a 6'4 combo guard that averaged like 3 PPG. He can't shoot. He was never 5 star recruit worthy, he was never McDonald's All American worthy, and he's not NBA worthy as a 19 year old freshman. Bronny was always A10 level. He's not an A10 stud, but he's A10 level. Put it this way, the best thing about getting Bronny, is that team's NIL fund will be stocked to either retain players or sign other players. It wouldn't be getting Bronny as a player. He is a one and done guy because the team that drafts him probably signs Lebron. If you’re a team on the verge of being a championship contender and say you have the 20th pick or later you draft him. He’s a good player but not a Top 25 kid (McDonald’s) so you’re right there. But he’s Top 150 Hoops, and everyone else who wants to opine for that matter...What does a 40 year old Lebron James do for any team in the league? He can still score, he can still pass. Hasn't played defense in 3 years. The Lakers have been a fringe playoff/play in team for most of the duration of his time in LA. He had a 4 month break en route to a championship in a bubble, not anywhere near the normal grind of an NBA season and postseason. He's buried the Lakers in salary cap hell and draft pick hell where they are going to be stuck in their current situation for the rest of this decade. This isn't the Lebron of 2016. He isn't capable of carrying a team to a title, or even a high seed. Maybe he can win a team a game or 2 in the playoffs. Now I ask you, is the drama of having Lebron, at 40, worth drafting a kid that's not an NBA player? What do you do with Bronny next year? You can't put him in the G League if Lebron wants to play with him. So is he the 15th man that never gets on the floor? How's that gonna play with Dad? Does he get exposed and abused, by EVERY guard in the league, for the token 10 minutes that a coach has to give him? How does that go over in the locker room? You're right hoops...Bronny is a top 150 player. He would be good at La Salle or in the A10. Not BJ Johnson or Steven Smith good, but he'd be a nice player here. |
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 28, 2024 9:57:15 GMT -5
He is a one and done guy because the team that drafts him probably signs Lebron. If you’re a team on the verge of being a championship contender and say you have the 20th pick or later you draft him. He’s a good player but not a Top 25 kid (McDonald’s) so you’re right there. But he’s Top 150 Hoops, and everyone else who wants to opine for that matter...What does a 40 year old Lebron James do for any team in the league? He can still score, he can still pass. Hasn't played defense in 3 years. The Lakers have been a fringe playoff/play in team for most of the duration of his time in LA. He had a 4 month break en route to a championship in a bubble, not anywhere near the normal grind of an NBA season and postseason. He's buried the Lakers in salary cap hell and draft pick hell where they are going to be stuck in their current situation for the rest of this decade. This isn't the Lebron of 2016. He isn't capable of carrying a team to a title, or even a high seed. Maybe he can win a team a game or 2 in the playoffs. Now I ask you, is the drama of having Lebron, at 40, worth drafting a kid that's not an NBA player? What do you do with Bronny next year? You can't put him in the G League if Lebron wants to play with him. So is he the 15th man that never gets on the floor? How's that gonna play with Dad? Does he get exposed and abused, by EVERY guard in the league, for the token 10 minutes that a coach has to give him? How does that go over in the locker room? You're right hoops...Bronny is a top 150 player. He would be good at La Salle or in the A10. Not BJ Johnson or Steven Smith good, but he'd be a nice player here. I don’t really follow the NBA - but Lebron still plays at a high level like Tom Brady did in the NFL. Say you’re the Timberwolves, a really really good young team. You add Lebron and he doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting with Towns and Edwards- you have a team that can win it all |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 28, 2024 10:01:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't add Lebron to a team with a top five player like Ant on it. If there's anything certain about Bron, it's that it is going to be his team.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2024 11:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 28, 2024 15:48:06 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable. There’s nothing better than college hoops
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 28, 2024 16:19:18 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable. There’s nothing better than college hoops 20 years ago, you were correct. The league is a mess in that regular season doesn't mean much, load management, and the commissioner thinks an early season tournament will solve the woes of a meaningless regular season. Also some head scratching coaching changes are weird, Milwaukee, I'm looking at you. However, the actual game of basketball, the NBA is much better. 4 of the 5 guys on the floor can step out and hit a 3. |
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Post by weston2 on Mar 28, 2024 19:19:03 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable. There’s nothing better than college hoops 20 years ago, you were correct. The league is a mess in that regular season doesn't mean much, load management, and the commissioner thinks an early season tournament will solve the woes of a meaningless regular season. Also some head scratching coaching changes are weird, Milwaukee, I'm looking at you. However, the actual game of basketball, the NBA is much better. 4 of the 5 guys on the floor can step out and hit a 3. Yep, so when do they go for the "4" point shot? or the one where the kid gets free books or tuition for the next year.  |
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 29, 2024 6:50:48 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable. There’s nothing better than college hoops 20 years ago, you were correct. The league is a mess in that regular season doesn't mean much, load management, and the commissioner thinks an early season tournament will solve the woes of a meaningless regular season. Also some head scratching coaching changes are weird, Milwaukee, I'm looking at you. However, the actual game of basketball, the NBA is much better. 4 of the 5 guys on the floor can step out and hit a 3. Dudes don’t play hard. All the players do is complain to refs. Some teams move the ball but too much iso and pick and roll although to be fair too much PNR in college too |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 29, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -5
The ability and skill of nba players is other worldly. Motion offenses don’t work because the defenders can recover too quick and jump too high.
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Post by calsufan on Mar 29, 2024 9:51:30 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable. There’s nothing better than college hoops I'm afraid that with all of the NIL money (I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far and it's going to get worse), college basketball to an extent is going to become like the pros. |
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 29, 2024 22:54:54 GMT -5
The NBA is unwatchable. There’s nothing better than college hoops I'm afraid that with all of the NIL money (I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far and it's going to get worse), college basketball to an extent is going to become like the pros. As long as NIL doesn’t dampen the fan experience, plus the fact that they play only 30-40 games and thus play hard I disagree |
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 29, 2024 22:56:32 GMT -5
The ability and skill of nba players is other worldly. Motion offenses don’t work because the defenders can recover too quick and jump too high. The athletic ability of defenders nullifying motion offenses is a ridiculous idea. Defensive three seconds should help motion. Plus being to load up on the weak side vs the two man PNR helps the defense |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 30, 2024 21:51:40 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks NBA players don’t play hard hasn’t been watching VillaKnicksva.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 30, 2024 23:06:53 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks NBA players don’t play hard hasn’t been watching VillaKnicksva. A little louder for those in the back. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 31, 2024 11:05:11 GMT -5
It’s such a tired trope at this point.
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 31, 2024 14:29:01 GMT -5
It’s such a tired trope at this point. You named one team. Any time I turn on the NBA everyone is jogging and not sprinting - everyone stands for crap offense - guys not in a stance |
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Post by MisterD on Mar 31, 2024 21:53:02 GMT -5
Rarely even use the backboard on their set shots …
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 31, 2024 22:20:00 GMT -5
It’s such a tired trope at this point. You named one team. Any time I turn on the NBA everyone is jogging and not sprinting - everyone stands for crap offense - guys not in a stance The NBA REGULAR season started October 8th, and it will end on April 14th. Every team will have played 82 games, the Lakers, and whatever schmuck team they beat in that meaningless Adam Silver tournament, played 83 games. College basketball season started November 6th, about a month later. It will end on April 8th. NC State, at 26-14, is the leader in the clubhouse with 40 games played. Purdue is at 37 games, UConn is at 38 games, and Bama is at 36 games played. Unless NC State wins Saturday, no other college team will have played more than half of an NBA season. In 5 weeks of calendar time, NBA teams play 40+ more games, than the college teams still standing at the end. If you take away the week long NBA all star break, it amounts to 40+ games in about 4 weeks of calendar time. Forget about teams like Boston that still have 2 months of basketball left, I'm talking even about the shitty Raptors. Guys on here bitch that we looked gassed in a feast week tourney, a conference tourney, or God forbid, the old Saturday to Monday turn around. Now I'm not Adam Silver's right hand man. The league has serious issues. The regular season is too long, and players break down, which leads to load management, which short changes fans and cheapens the regular season. The soft salary cap blows, guaranteed contracts, matching money for money with trades, players signing deals and refusing to play for their teams, players getting coaches fired, Lebron tampering and colluding with other teams and players for the past 15 years, it all sucks. I will throw in the flopping, that is comparable to world cup soccer, Trae Young, Steph Curry, Lebron, you're all guilty of it. I even don't like that players don't foul to extend games down 6 late in games. But to say guys don't defend or try hard in games is an idea, that's 20 years outdated. The game looks different because the shot clock is 24 seconds, most guys can play in the open court and extend their offense out to the 3 point line and defenses have to respect that, so you aren't going to have a UVA bullshit pack line because guys will just shoot over it. An NBA arena, minus something like Oracle in Oakland, Chicago Stadium in the 90s, it's not going to have the intensity of a Cameron Indoor in January. You're going to hear bullshit music over the PA system while the ball is in play. It's not going to touch the NCAA tournament as far as better or more intense sporting event. But the basketball is waaayyy better. The players, even load managed as they are, still have to try and last 65 regular season games. So every possession isn't going to look like Nova vs Pitt in the big east 15 years ago. Just my take. I'd at least follow the NBA through the rest of the season and into the playoffs... then you make an informed decision on what you like, and what you don't like. |
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Post by weston2 on Apr 1, 2024 7:41:45 GMT -5
Rarely even use the backboard on their set shots … Ghost of Larry Costello.  |
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Post by coqui900 on Apr 1, 2024 10:00:47 GMT -5
It’s such a tired trope at this point. You named one team. Any time I turn on the NBA everyone is jogging and not sprinting - everyone stands for crap offense - guys not in a stance So you watch Wizards/Hornets games and nothing else? |
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Post by coqui900 on Apr 1, 2024 10:24:20 GMT -5
I have NBA League Pass and watch an insane amount of games. My entire media diet revolves around NBA podcasts -- and especially the nerdier ones where they break down what the hell is happening on the court. The difference between the NBA and NCAA Men's basketball is an infinite gap in all levels.
The athleticism and skill level in the NBA alone makes it a better game. I don't think that needs to be said. But the coaching and sets and etc. at the NBA level is at this unfathomable level, especially compared to NCAA Men's. You could make the case that even 15 years ago that most of the innovation on the coaching end in basketball was coming from colleges, just like we saw with college football. But that's absolutely not the case anymore.
JJ Reddick and LeBron James have this new podcast that's absolutely incredible breaking down NBA X's and O's. There are so many screens and motions and sets designed to constantly get the best looks available. They're both of the opinion that the reason why scoring at the NBA is at this insane level isn't because of really any rules or that guys aren't willing to play defense. It's because you have these incredibly skilled players running very sophisticated offenses at a very fast pace -- and it has become absolutely impossible to defend that at a regular level since you're not allowed to mug guys anymore.
That also talked about how you don't see anything like that at the NCAA level and a lot of what they see is laughable. There's still so much dumping the ball down low to a lower skilled big man (as 19-year-olds will be) who puts up some off-hand hook shot that has no chance of getting in. That play is pretty much dead in the NBA, and for a reason.
They didn't mention Kentucky vs. Oakland this year, but what they talked about was so true. Kentucky just kept on dumping the ball down low and kept shots coming from their two guards who are going to be lottery picks. Against a junk zone defense designed to keep the ball from getting down low and making guys who don't usually initiate plays initiate plays. Maybe that says more about Calipari than coaching in general, but you still see so much of that.
Maybe one of the reasons why coaching in NCAA Men's Basketball is where it's at is because there's so much coaching turnover now. Coaches hop from job-to-job so quickly. So much of that comes because whatever mid-major you're at will have a player or two that luckily fell into a mid-major's lap and they stuck around for a while. That's not because they're hiring fantastic actual coaches who run anything sophisticated.
A good example of this is Andy Enfield. Dunk City was an incredibly athletic team with a great point guard for the A-Sun (where they finished second in the regular season) and caught lightning in a bottle against an overrated Georgetown and then scalped San Diego State. USC has more advantages than almost any other athletic department in the nation and he had one good tournament run in the weird year after Covid where the bracket broke their way. Other than that, it's a bunch of flame-out regular seasons or early round exits.
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Post by theneumann64 on Apr 1, 2024 12:54:07 GMT -5
People may have a variety of reasons for preferring the college game to the NBA. Just don't make an effort thing, is my point. Or about "fundamentals."
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Post by coqui900 on Apr 1, 2024 14:06:39 GMT -5
I like college basketball, too. The atmosphere at games is a lot more fun. Something like our game against UPenn this year in the Big Five tournament means so much more than a regular season NBA game. It’s a lot more fun. Things like homecoming games and Senior Nights and white outs are really great times and make you understand that attending a college also means you join a broader community you will always be a part of. And that is all fantastic!
But to think the quality of play is anywhere close is just ridiculous.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 1, 2024 14:24:30 GMT -5
Rarely even use the backboard on their set shots … Ghost of Larry Costello. Won an NBA title as HC OF THE 70-71 Bucks. Went 60-16 with Kareem and the Big O. Not a super long NBA coaching career but won as many titles as “Doc Rivers” who has coached forever. |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 4, 2024 21:00:12 GMT -5
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