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Post by gymrat67 on Jan 11, 2020 16:38:43 GMT -5
An alum just got engaged on the court during the timeout. At least someone from La Salle other than Saul is guaranteed to score today. Classy move. I understand that his Plan B would have been to propose to his girlfriend atop the Eiffel Tower in Paris at Midnight on New Year's Eve. Attachment Deleted
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Post by las71 on Jan 11, 2020 16:57:56 GMT -5
Just got back from the game. Disappointing at every level. I'm starting to wonder if we have the talent to compete in the A10 this season. Final score today was no indication of how the game went. It was over at the 17 minute mark in the second half. It's painful being an explorer fan.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 11, 2020 17:14:29 GMT -5
We always overrate our talent. There isn’t an All-A10 player in the program. It is hard to win games without those players.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 11, 2020 17:28:20 GMT -5
There isn’t an All-A10 player in the program. Quite the quote here. Most of these guys are frosh/soph.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 11, 2020 17:32:35 GMT -5
There isn’t an All-A10 player in the program. Quite the quote here. Most of these guys are frosh/soph. I am talking about right now. I think if Clark is healthy the next 4 years he has a shot and I think Ayinde has a shot if he develops an outside shot. Top teams in the conference almost always have at least 2.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2020 17:40:26 GMT -5
Bad loss. No two ways about it. Favored at home, with a lot of alums present, we fell asleep for a 15 minute stretch spanning the first and second halves. Whatever was said at half-time clearly didn't work.
3 biggest concerns: Turnovers, 2-pt shooting, and press breaking.
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Post by calsufan on Jan 11, 2020 17:55:41 GMT -5
Just back from the game. It was fugly and disheartening. The team is moving backwards. There's talent there, A10 talent but it's not playing like it. George Mason played good defense and moved the ball well. The next four or five games are not going to be fun. Get ready.
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Post by a10 on Jan 11, 2020 17:57:16 GMT -5
I saw a fair chunk of the second half after going out with the wife to get a new refrigerator and stove. Some very lazy, easy steals allowed by our guards. You would think that would be something they would've learned to prevent at at lower level in their basketball careers. Just a bad all-around game for La Salle in their shooting, defense, and ball handling.
Since I missed the first half, does anyone know what "message" Howard was trying to send to the upper classmen? I heard one of the commentators mention that during the brief time I watched.
I bailed out on the game with about 7 minutes left. It could be another 5 games before we have a chance at a win against St. Joe's.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Jan 11, 2020 18:01:37 GMT -5
One observation of these last few games... Croswell needs to shoot more
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Post by vital on Jan 11, 2020 18:46:37 GMT -5
Someone here mention a few games back about the substitution of players! Again today 4 minutes into the game we are subbing players in to fast and to many to early no one can get a rhythm...Also you cant expect 3 to 4 freshmen on the court at the same time...
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Post by calsufan on Jan 11, 2020 18:58:17 GMT -5
Someone here mention a few games back about the substitution of players! Again today 4 minutes into the game we are subbing players in to fast and to many to early no one can get a rhythm...Also you cant expect 3 to 4 freshmen on the court at the same time... To be fair, Ash had 4 freshman in at one point in the 2nd half because the upperclassmen were not playing well. He was sending a message.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2020 19:09:35 GMT -5
I wonder if Billy Lange ever had an underdog who was losing go on a 22-0 run against him...
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Post by glorydays on Jan 11, 2020 19:42:13 GMT -5
I wonder if Billy Lange ever had an underdog who was losing go on a 22-0 run against him... Just got back to DE after dinner in Phila with some 71er's. A couple of things. The music is way too loud. I am OK with music. Cut the volume at least in half. You can't hear a damn thing before the game or at halftime. Yes, we stunk today. Worst loss of the decade.
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Post by blueandgold on Jan 11, 2020 19:45:20 GMT -5
It’s been nearly 4 hours, and I still haven’t found anyone with postgame beer analysis. Those are the only stats of interest to me after whatever we witnessed on the court today.
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 11, 2020 20:14:12 GMT -5
I wonder if Billy Lange ever had an underdog who was losing go on a 22-0 run against him... Just got back to DE after dinner in Phila with some 71er's. A couple of things. The music is way too loud. I am OK with music. Cut the volume at least in half. You can't hear a damn thing before the game or at halftime. Yes, we stunk today. Worst loss of the decade. I see what you did there GD
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Post by heftyexpl on Jan 11, 2020 20:34:03 GMT -5
We always overrate our talent. There isn’t an All-A10 player in the program. It is hard to win games without those players. Im not trying to be argumentative. But i think this is a lazy lazy excuse. Stop blaming the talent on the floor. A good coach figures out a way to get the most out of the players he is given. Go listen to the newly hired NY Giants head coach, Joe Judge, sound bite about what he learned from Belichick... "Be flexible within your personal... figure out what you have, let them play to their strengths... don't tell me what they cant do, figure out what it is they do and as coaches its our job to use that" If Ash is throwing his hands up and giving up because there isnt an "All A10 player" on his squad then we have bigger problems than just this game.
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Post by vital on Jan 11, 2020 20:52:54 GMT -5
We always overrate our talent. There isn’t an All-A10 player in the program. It is hard to win games without those players. Im not trying to be argumentative. But i think this is a lazy lazy excuse. Stop blaming the talent on the floor. A good coach figures out a way to get the most out of the players he is given. Go listen to the newly hired NY Giants head coach, Joe Judge, sound bite about what he learned from Belichick... "Be flexible within your personal... figure out what you have, let them play to their strengths... don't tell me what they cant do, figure out what it is they do and as coaches its their job to use that" If Ash is throwing his hands up and giving up because there isnt an "All A10 player" on his squad then we have bigger problems than just this game. Absolutely correct...
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 11, 2020 21:10:05 GMT -5
We always overrate our talent. There isn’t an All-A10 player in the program. It is hard to win games without those players. Im not trying to be argumentative. But i think this is a lazy lazy excuse. Stop blaming the talent on the floor. A good coach figures out a way to get the most out of the players he is given. Go listen to the newly hired NY Giants head coach, Joe Judge, sound bite about what he learned from Belichick... "Be flexible within your personal... figure out what you have, let them play to their strengths... don't tell me what they cant do, figure out what it is they do and as coaches its their job to use that" If Ash is throwing his hands up and giving up because there isnt an "All A10 player" on his squad then we have bigger problems than just this game. I don’t necessarily disagree the coach is a big part of being a successful program but there are a lot of good coaches in the league and if they have better players you lose. I find my argument less than lazy.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2020 22:23:51 GMT -5
One observation of these last few games... Croswell needs to shoot more he can't shoot if he's on the bench in foul trouble.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Jan 11, 2020 22:53:35 GMT -5
One observation of these last few games... Croswell needs to shoot more he can't shoot if he's on the bench in foul trouble. Your thinking of Artis Gilmore
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Jan 11, 2020 23:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by a10 on Jan 12, 2020 0:59:44 GMT -5
Stop blaming the talent on the floor. A good coach figures out a way to get the most out of the players he is given. Go listen to the newly hired NY Giants head coach, Joe Judge, sound bite about what he learned from Belichick... "Be flexible within your personal... figure out what you have, let them play to their strengths... don't tell me what they cant do, figure out what it is they do and as coaches its our job to use that" If Ash is throwing his hands up and giving up because there isnt an "All A10 player" on his squad then we have bigger problems than just this game. This is why I have been saying for so many years, if we don't have the talent other teams have, we should be slowing the game down and running a "Princeton-style" offense. It will frustrate the run-and-gun teams with the pace and since we're only usually 5-deep with competitive players, they won't get gassed and we'll get more mileage out of them. Eventually, if we start putting together consistent winning seasons, we'll work our way back to getting better players coming to La Salle.
Stall Ball can be a great equalizer.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Jan 12, 2020 6:01:14 GMT -5
Most (and by most I mean all) coaches have their systems. You don’t just wake up at 40 and start running the Princeton offense.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Jan 12, 2020 9:08:00 GMT -5
I was surprised at the outcome and disappointed in the team effort with yesterday's game. I thought it was a game we pull out, we win. Instead we were murdered. That 2nd half was a disaster. Like a used car, a clunker it seemed like everything broke at the same time. A major problem, what a contrast in shooting. Mason looked loose and the shots fell. We pressed, appeared tight and shots fell short. We also had our usual handicapping TOs. On the day contributing to 22 points for Mason. Even our best performer on the day Saul who found the range seem to too often erase what he brought.
I am taking the view that this was a clunker game that I am expecting we move beyond. I am not ready to judge the talent of our team as sub par to Masons, or that we should not be able to compete with them. A lot of things broke down yesterday.
I appreciated the coaches post game comments. These are tough outcomes to respond to. Wins and loses aside we have shown we can play better than this. It is hard to argue against our (we fans) tendency to over evaluate our talent. But our talent is better than what it showed yesterday in my view.
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Post by las71 on Jan 12, 2020 9:58:30 GMT -5
My concern isn't about Ash. If he had the Mason talent he wins yesterday. My concern is the bigger issue of how do we attract more talent. Months ago a poster showed a design for a new or rebuilt arena. Since then I have heard nothing. I understand that we may have other priorities as an institution but is there a timeline? I hope the school is actively pursuing a donor. The last two games I attended have had a significant alumni turnout, but we're getting old. Maybe we can start a five year pledge program. It's not going to fund the arena but will create some buzz. La Salle needs to get something out of us before we're all dead. Go 'splorers!
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 12, 2020 10:57:16 GMT -5
My concern isn't about Ash. If he had the Mason talent he wins yesterday. My concern is the bigger issue of how do we attract more talent. Months ago a poster showed a design for a new or rebuilt arena. Since then I have heard nothing. I understand that we may have other priorities as an institution but is there a timeline? I hope the school is actively pursuing a donor. The last two games I attended have had a significant alumni turnout, but we're getting old. Maybe we can start a five year pledge program. It's not going to fund the arena but will create some buzz. La Salle needs to get something out of us before we're all dead. Go 'splorers! Biggest issue I have with the La Salle administrations is they don’t share plans of how to improve the program. Why not create a plan and share with your fans what you are doing to improve the product? It has been mediocre for a long time. They don’t do it because they don’t want to fail. Bottom line Ash is hamstrung like G was. It is very difficult to get enough good players into this program when they have other options more attractive. For those who thought Ash was going to come in here and just kill it they are finding out you need something to pull these kids into your program. The longer Ash is away from Nova the less his shine is to these kids. His roster is young so perhaps these young kids work out but I honestly don’t see enough talent in this program To make a decent run anytime soon. Keith Dambrot has found a way to do it at Duquesne which has flailed for decades. But what does Duquesne do to ensure further competing in this conference? Sink millions and millions into their facility where they are playing on neutral courts this year to make the arena competitive. Now we come back to La Salle which has been playing in the same junior high gym for 23 years and very little upgrading. They have until 2023 to get something done before they lose John Glaser’s money. I am positive Baptiste’s main initiative and the reason he was hired was to get the money raised to do the facility renovation by then and not lose those funds. I think La Salle wants to get it done and will eventually get it done. How vast and how good the project will be is the question. So it will be a few more years before we have any chance of leveling the field to some degree. In the meantime we need Ash to be special and find gems that other miss to be somewhat decent. It is tough sledding even for the guy from a blue blood program like Nova.
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Post by vital on Jan 12, 2020 12:42:37 GMT -5
Someone here mention a few games back about the substitution of players! Again today 4 minutes into the game we are subbing players in to fast and to many to early no one can get a rhythm...Also you cant expect 3 to 4 freshmen on the court at the same time... To be fair, Ash had 4 freshman in at one point in the 2nd half because the upperclassmen were not playing well. He was sending a message. A message in the middle of the season? C'mon you can't be serious...You have one senior averaging over 17pts in his last 6 games another senior who barely turns the ball over...a junior who defends well and can shoot the 3 but no screens to get him open...These are the only Upperclassmen that come out the game in their 1st 4 minutes of the game??? We dont have 4Star and 5Star Freshmen talent...You gotta come up with a better excuse than sending a message while a team is on a 17-0 run! Are We tanking for a #1 recruit or top 5 prospect? Watch next game and see 10 guys play before the 14 minute mark....No rhythm...other teams starters are out there win or lose the bench play their role and grow and earn minutes in right situations...
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Post by calsufan on Jan 12, 2020 13:00:06 GMT -5
To be fair, Ash had 4 freshman in at one point in the 2nd half because the upperclassmen were not playing well. He was sending a message. A message in the middle of the season? C'mon you can't be serious...You have one senior averaging over 17pts in his last 6 games another senior who barely turns the ball over...a junior who defends well and can shoot the 3 but no screens to get him open...These are the only Upperclassmen that come out the game in their 1st 4 minutes of the game??? We dont have 4Star and 5Star Freshmen talent...You gotta come up with a better excuse than sending a message while a team is on a 17-0 run! Are We tanking for a #1 recruit or top 5 prospect? Watch next game and see 10 guys play before the 14 minute mark....No rhythm...other teams starters are out there win or lose the bench play their role and grow and earn minutes in right situations... Yep, I'm quite serious. Since when does the time of the season dictate when a message needs to be sent? Since when does how much a player is averaging dictates when a message needs to be sent? If they happen to be stinking up the joint in a particular game or not hustling or whatever the reason for their poor play, is the coach just supposed to let them just stay out on the floor and underperform? C'mon, you can't be serious...
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Post by vital on Jan 12, 2020 13:15:02 GMT -5
Yes I'm serious when players are stinking it up you call a time out and make adjustments not wave a white flag and say here young players go play hard and we will win next year!...Messages are for summer and your preseason and before a game and at halftime and the next day in practice.....Your freshmen leads your team in turnovers..We keep killing the players but we have to hold these coaches accountable from the head to the assistant they are getting paid to do a job...as for football you jave coaches who have special jobs Off Cord. Def Cord. Film Cord. Its a collective effort...When G didnt make adjustments G was let go...
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Post by explorer88 on Jan 12, 2020 13:27:29 GMT -5
Rollie Massimino did the same thing in 1985 getting blowout by Pitt the last game of the year and went on to win the NCAA.
It is done often.
Holding Ash accountable is a different story.
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