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Post by explorer88 on Nov 14, 2019 16:23:02 GMT -5
You need something between VCU and what we have now. We will never have a rabid fan base like VCU. Different markets and we are much smaller. It is tough without winning no doubt.
Anyone see the FBI jackets the student section has versus their game last night against LSU? Just classic trolling Will Wade and LSU under FBI investigation. La Salle would have made those students remove the jackets if it happened at Gola most likely.
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Post by hilarys on Nov 14, 2019 16:28:00 GMT -5
Lol i agree, you know what i meant though
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Post by gymrat67 on Nov 14, 2019 17:41:11 GMT -5
You need something between VCU and what we have now. We will never have a rabid fan base like VCU. Different markets and we are much smaller. It is tough without winning no doubt. Anyone see the FBI jackets the student section has versus their game last night against LSU? Just classic trolling Will Wade and LSU under FBI investigation. La Salle would have made those students remove the jackets if it happened at Gola most likely. Perhaps what we need is a superfan - cheerleader like Chris " Pav " Crowley : Attachment DeletedOR, a TGA " Dancing Guy " like Shawn Hill :
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Post by hilarys on Nov 14, 2019 17:44:20 GMT -5
Dancing guys an og
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Post by calsufan on Nov 14, 2019 19:13:50 GMT -5
That dancing guy is some scary sh*t.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 14, 2019 22:08:34 GMT -5
I went to every home game. The school is doing whatever they can to get kids to go to games and nothing works. I’m not bashing anything, I’m just saying what’s going to change this situation quickly would be making the tournament or landing some major recruit. Kids aren’t just going to wake up one day injected with this major school spirit. You just graduated? So you don't really know suffering. You don't know losing something like 16 Big 5 games in a row, you don't know having your best player being involved in a rape scandal, gutting your team that was mainly sophomores on the way up, and turning the job into one of the worst job openings in the country. None of the teams I watched were close to being a tourney team. Only 1 had a winning record, and we got bounced out of the A10 quarters by Fordham, costing us the Nits. All of the shit basketball we watched, we still made it to the Palestra, never on the school's buses, but we made it to every game there. To hear the school didn't run buses, and you're in agreement with it, is the most defeatist take I've ever heard on this board. "They have to make the tournament for students to show up?" It doesn't work that way. We've made 3 NCAA tournaments in 30 years. If you're waiting to go dancing for students to watch a game at the Palestra, it's not gonna happen.
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Post by hilarys on Nov 14, 2019 22:19:08 GMT -5
First of all, we’re all La Salle fans here so don’t put me down for stating my opinion. Never once did i say i agree with not running busses. I’m saying no one comes to the games...you cannot argue with that. What’s going to make kids show up? If it’s not making the tournament or landing a major recruit, please tell me within the next two-three seasons what’s going to get kids in the bleachers of Gola? I honestly want to hear your opinion on what will bring current students, not alumni, to games. Enlighten me, brother.
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Post by hilarys on Nov 14, 2019 22:21:09 GMT -5
Like you talked about suffering not what i posted lmao
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 14, 2019 22:27:59 GMT -5
A major recruit won’t do it either. Short of a high school phenom like Kobe Bryant coming to La Salle no other recruit will draw fans.
You have to make it an event and put an exciting product on the floor.
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Post by hilarys on Nov 14, 2019 22:36:48 GMT -5
yeah that’s fair, i agree. Exciting product is different for everyone—is it wins? A lot of dunks? Players with 100k+ instagram followers? It’s hard to fill the stands without wins.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 15, 2019 0:00:11 GMT -5
please tell me within the next two-three seasons what’s going to get kids in the bleachers of Gola? Dollar-dog nights
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 15, 2019 8:10:04 GMT -5
The guy is just telling us the current state of things with regards to students (which sounds pretty similar to how it was when I was there 2004-2008, although we did have buses to Palestra games). Just because we don't LIKE that what he's saying is the case, doesn't mean people should be jumping on him for that being the case.
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Post by 23won on Nov 15, 2019 10:37:43 GMT -5
Apart from some intense fans here and among a good number of season ticket holders (maybe 100 total), La Salle fans by and large have been a passive bunch that are not committed to getting behind a team. The exceptions were when we won and had star or star power player(s), like 68-70 (Cannon, Durrett, Williams, Taylor), the Jellybean years, the Brooks years, the Lionel years and Ramon's senior season.
The VCU fans are jacked because they have a deep history of winning and the following gets stronger with each year, regardless of coach.
It's a chicken and egg issue, but the only realistic solution is to (1) set up the program to win and (2) then win. (1) is in process; trust the process.
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Post by weston2 on Nov 15, 2019 11:50:14 GMT -5
The guy is just telling us the current state of things with regards to students (which sounds pretty similar to how it was when I was there 2004-2008, although we did have buses to Palestra games). Just because we don't LIKE that what he's saying is the case, doesn't mean people should be jumping on him for that being the case. Tells you all u need to know about societal changes. Buses?? We didn't need no stinking buses.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 15, 2019 12:38:42 GMT -5
Key Years: 1996: Joined Atlantic 10 1999: First full year at Gola 2002: Billy Hahn new coach 2005: John Giannini new coach 2019: Ashley Howard new coach
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 15, 2019 12:48:49 GMT -5
Key Years: 1996: Joined Atlantic 10 1999: First full year at Gola 2002: Billy Hahn new coach 2005: John Giannini new coach 2019: Ashley Howard new coach Good stuff. Really shows how much fans La Salle has lost over the past 30 years.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 15, 2019 12:53:02 GMT -5
I don't know if there are other factors, but the drop in 1992 seems crazy to me. Still a 20 win tourney team, just not top 25 good.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 15, 2019 12:53:39 GMT -5
(Also, I only started in 1989 because the official NCAA cite was crediting us with single digit "home" games before that.)
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Post by durenduren on Nov 15, 2019 12:57:42 GMT -5
I'd guess all Big 5 programs have experienced a similar decline, exception being Villanova as of more recent. Big 5 basketball just isn't what it was.
And those that remember the Gola years, the L Train years, etc are just getting older. Those defining memories are just getting more cloudy, less relatable.
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Post by hilarys on Nov 15, 2019 13:47:41 GMT -5
The guy is just telling us the current state of things with regards to students (which sounds pretty similar to how it was when I was there 2004-2008, although we did have buses to Palestra games). Just because we don't LIKE that what he's saying is the case, doesn't mean people should be jumping on him for that being the case. Tells you all u need to know about societal changes. Buses?? We didn't need no stinking buses. how many people would’ve taken the bus? We can’t get kids in our own gym let alone take a bus
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 15, 2019 14:47:09 GMT -5
Key Years: 1996: Joined Atlantic 10 1999: First full year at Gola 2002: Billy Hahn new coach 2005: John Giannini new coach 2019: Ashley Howard new coach you left off the # of Dollar Dog nights per year. i really think that's a significant attendance draw.
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Post by golasalle on Nov 15, 2019 15:12:27 GMT -5
I'd guess all Big 5 programs have experienced a similar decline, exception being Villanova as of more recent. Big 5 basketball just isn't what it was. And those that remember the Gola years, the L Train years, etc are just getting older. Those defining memories are just getting more cloudy, less relatable. FWIW, Penn's student section was pretty empty and most of it was taken up by their band.
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Post by sweat83 on Nov 15, 2019 16:02:25 GMT -5
Why there is a decline in attendance... Gone....Big 5 doubleheaders, streamers (no fouls), ROLLOUTS that didn't "trigger" anyone, beer before the games, beer after the games, Palestra (Home) games against DePaul and Notre Dame while school was in session (they were both good back in the day). Also, stars on opposing teams like Patrick Ewing, Pearl Washington, Chris Mullin, you knew they were going to be around for 4 years, and be able to catch a glimpse of them in the 2nd game of a Villanova doubleheader. Going to a game was a fun time.
For just a casual fan....is it even fun anymore, to attend a game? Especially if takes you away from 3 hours of Fortnight action.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Nov 15, 2019 18:45:10 GMT -5
I'd guess all Big 5 programs have experienced a similar decline, exception being Villanova as of more recent. Big 5 basketball just isn't what it was. And those that remember the Gola years, the L Train years, etc are just getting older. Those defining memories are just getting more cloudy, less relatable. I'd only argue Temple is probably up over the same time period considering they went from McGonigle (like 3200 seats) to Liacouras (10,000 approx), but your point is well taken.
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 15, 2019 19:05:44 GMT -5
I'd guess all Big 5 programs have experienced a similar decline, exception being Villanova as of more recent. Big 5 basketball just isn't what it was. And those that remember the Gola years, the L Train years, etc are just getting older. Those defining memories are just getting more cloudy, less relatable. FWIW, Penn's student section was pretty empty and most of it was taken up by their band. 2,426 attendance at the Palestra... scores.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/cbk/boxscore.asp?gamecode=201911130460&home=460&vis=301&final=true
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Nov 16, 2019 9:02:49 GMT -5
Those around during the Palestra's golden age should thank their lucky stars for the memories. I'm one and I do.
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Post by calsufan on Nov 16, 2019 9:44:17 GMT -5
Those around during the Palestra's golden age should thank their lucky stars for the memories. I'm one and I do. Palestra doubleheaders on a Saturday afternoon in the 70's packed in like sardines, not an empty seat in the house. The place would roar after a thunderous dunk or a particularly great series of plays. That was basketball nirvana.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 16, 2019 10:03:20 GMT -5
I'd guess all Big 5 programs have experienced a similar decline, exception being Villanova as of more recent. Big 5 basketball just isn't what it was. And those that remember the Gola years, the L Train years, etc are just getting older. Those defining memories are just getting more cloudy, less relatable. I'd only argue Temple is probably up over the same time period considering they went from McGonigle (like 3200 seats) to Liacouras (10,000 approx), but your point is well taken. That's probably true. However, it seems Temple may have had some decline in attendance since they joined the AAC. Outside of the Big 5 they used to have some serious rivalries with UMass, Xavier and Dayton. Since they left they tried to continue some of the A10 matchups for good reason but leaving the conference just deflated it.
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Post by a10champion15 on Nov 16, 2019 10:16:53 GMT -5
Also, winning brings the crowd. Just how it is outside of a some die hard fanbases. I remember after that Butler game we had a home game against UMass. It was packed and loud. Without looking I'm going to bet most of the games up until when the wheels fell off the following season had a more than solid crowd outside a couple games during breaks.
Even when we made the NIT and somehow got a home game vs Minnesota students and fans were losing their minds. It was awesome.
So my point is just to have patience. I 1000% believe Ash is the guy. Just got to give him time.
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Post by hoopsguest on Nov 16, 2019 13:51:25 GMT -5
Didn't we join the A10 in 1994 or 1995 not 1996?6
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