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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Apr 10, 2019 19:51:58 GMT -5
Looks like the awards banquet was tonight, not sure if anyone was there. Here are the winners - Academic award - CianRasual Butler award - David BeattyExplorer Club award - Ed CroswellMr. Believe award - the managers |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 10, 2019 21:47:17 GMT -5
Why is the school naming an award after a guy who killed himself and his girlfriend while speeding drunk with meth and weed in his system? I know Rasual is loved here and we are never ever allowed to say anything even remotely critical about him, but wouldn't someone like Michael Brooks be a better choice to name an award after?
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Post by hoopsguest on Apr 10, 2019 21:52:28 GMT -5
What is the Rasual Butler award? Is that for MVP? The believe and academic awards make sense. Explorer Club - is that freshman/newcomer of the year or some community involvement award (it appears Croswell makes the rounds to speak at local schools)?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 11, 2019 6:22:25 GMT -5
Why is the school naming an award after a guy who killed himself and his girlfriend while speeding drunk with meth and weed in his system? I know Rasual is loved here and we are never ever allowed to say anything even remotely critical about him, but wouldn't someone like Michael Brooks be a better choice to name an award after? I disagree with your take. |
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Apr 11, 2019 6:37:19 GMT -5
Why is the school naming an award after a guy who killed himself and his girlfriend while speeding drunk with meth and weed in his system? I know Rasual is loved here and we are never ever allowed to say anything even remotely critical about him, but wouldn't someone like Michael Brooks be a better choice to name an award after? A deadbeat dad that left his family here and started a new life in Europe, without any regard for those he left behind? No thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 8:34:13 GMT -5
Why is the school naming an award after a guy who killed himself and his girlfriend while speeding drunk with meth and weed in his system? I know Rasual is loved here and we are never ever allowed to say anything even remotely critical about him, but wouldn't someone like Michael Brooks be a better choice to name an award after? A deadbeat dad that left his family here and started a new life in Europe, without any regard for those he left behind? No thanks. The...Lionel Simmons, Tom Gola, Ken Durrett...award? |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 11, 2019 8:42:15 GMT -5
The Explorertown Award for the player who can turn any innocuous conversation into a tedious affair you wish you'd never been a part of.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 11, 2019 9:25:48 GMT -5
Legler, Hurd and Yves would have been great candidates for the academic award naming
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Post by durenduren on Apr 11, 2019 9:39:57 GMT -5
Why is the school naming an award after a guy who killed himself and his girlfriend while speeding drunk with meth and weed in his system? I know Rasual is loved here and we are never ever allowed to say anything even remotely critical about him, but wouldn't someone like Michael Brooks be a better choice to name an award after?  |
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Post by coachd on Apr 11, 2019 10:01:18 GMT -5
There is a reason "it is dangerous to name an award, building, etc. after someone still alive." - every History professor. Why? Because they can still do something wrong from a legal or moral standpoint... ask Villanova.
It is totally reckless to name after someone who is deceased for the reasons mentioned for Butler and Brooks. No one is perfect so it may be better to just call the awards what they are; and not name them for persons with known character flaws that hurt others or themselves.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 11, 2019 10:14:39 GMT -5
Then name it after Gola - 3 time consensus All American, NIT and NCAA Champion and MVP of those tournaments, college basketball player of the year, and still all-time collegiate rebounding leader. Don't name it after a guy with a 51-66 record as a player who killed his girlfriend and himself by being reckless.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 11, 2019 10:15:07 GMT -5
It is totally reckless to name after someone who is deceased for the reasons mentioned for Butler and Brooks This is some real low-hanging fruit shit. Stupid opinion, and even more dumb to go after a dead guy that was overwhelming praised for being a mentor to young players and never forgetting his roots in Point Breeze, at Roman, etc. The guy's only flaw was this single event. I want to think we're better than this, but some of you are being real boners.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 11, 2019 10:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 11, 2019 10:17:04 GMT -5
Then name it after Gola - 3 time consensus All American, NIT and NCAA Champion and MVP of those tournaments, college basketball player of the year, and still all-time collegiate rebounding leader. Don't name it after a guy with a 51-66 record as a player who killed his girlfriend and himself by being reckless. Or let the coach who is recruiting and coaching the kids name it. |
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Post by durenduren on Apr 11, 2019 10:21:28 GMT -5
There is a reason "it is dangerous to name an award, building, etc. after someone still alive." - every History professor. Why? Because they can still do something wrong from a legal or moral standpoint... ask Villanova. duPont literally murdered someone. With a gun. Don't force that comparison. But we can ignore that this practice is done everywhere - Fox School of Business (alive), Lebow School of Business (alive), Ruth & Raymond Perelman Center for Advanced Medicine (alive), Kline School of Law (alive) |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 11, 2019 10:29:37 GMT -5
Then name it after Gola - 3 time consensus All American, NIT and NCAA Champion and MVP of those tournaments, college basketball player of the year, and still all-time collegiate rebounding leader. Don't name it after a guy with a 51-66 record as a player who killed his girlfriend and himself by being reckless. Or let the coach who is recruiting and coaching the kids name it. So it's a Coach Ash basketball award rather than a La Salle University basketball award? |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 11, 2019 10:29:53 GMT -5
Well anyway congrats to David Beatty.
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Post by glorydays on Apr 11, 2019 10:33:06 GMT -5
OK, I will settle this: The JimmyWhispers Award.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 11, 2019 10:33:09 GMT -5
Or let the coach who is recruiting and coaching the kids name it. So it's a Coach Ash basketball award rather than a La Salle University basketball award? Let's do away with the entire ceremony and all of the awards since every system and person is inherently flawed. That feels much safer. |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 11, 2019 10:34:26 GMT -5
May I just say I see both sides of the Butler and the Brooks argument which is something I rarely do. I have no real response.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 11, 2019 10:34:49 GMT -5
Let's do away with the entire ceremony and all of the awards since every system and person is inherently flawed. That feels much safer. Don't even get me started on that Mr. Believe guy....I'm sure he has some skeletons in his closet...like moments of atheism. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 11, 2019 10:35:55 GMT -5
OK, I will settle this: The JimmyWhispers Award. Other suggestions: - Duke Gola Award - Doplhins2 Optimism Award |
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Post by diehardexplorer on Apr 11, 2019 10:37:33 GMT -5
Then name it after Gola - 3 time consensus All American, NIT and NCAA Champion and MVP of those tournaments, college basketball player of the year, and still all-time collegiate rebounding leader. Don't name it after a guy with a 51-66 record as a player who killed his girlfriend and himself by being reckless. bill bradshaw won the tom gola award last night. |
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Post by durenduren on Apr 11, 2019 10:54:23 GMT -5
I'm uncomfortable defining a person by one bad decision. He didn't force his wife into the car, or force her to get high, also. And while the circumstances leading up to it were reckless, it was still an accident - I'm sure he didn't to kill his wife or himself.
It is possible that Rasual was an excellent person, with great qualities that young people should aspire to, while still having made a mistake. Never met the dude, but he was unanimously respected for his character. Paul Walker made a reckless decision to drive like a moron too, and killed another person, but Paul Walker is revered like the Pope himself.
I'm not going to argue for Michael Brooks. He had his convictions and beliefs, and he was consistent in them. It's easy to say he was a coward and a deadbeat from afar, but he had to life with his decisions. I'm not going to pass more judgement than he'd already faced by people that actually matter to him - I don't know squat.
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Post by broderickpresident on Apr 11, 2019 11:16:47 GMT -5
Funny to name an academic award after 1 of our 3 academic all americans in program history? |
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Post by MisterD on Apr 11, 2019 11:19:18 GMT -5
Given his accomplishments in the classroom, they should have hired him as president of the university.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 11, 2019 11:32:47 GMT -5
Time to reboot the 2017 John Giannini for AD campaign, and finally hire Dunphy as our coach.
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Post by calsufan on Apr 11, 2019 11:35:57 GMT -5
The Explorertown Award for the player who can turn any innocuous conversation into a tedious affair you wish you'd never been a part of. I have a slightly different name for the award. I'm thinking we should name it the "Saints of Explorertown" award as lord knows we're all perfect. |
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 11, 2019 11:38:16 GMT -5
I'm uncomfortable defining a person by one bad decision. I'm not saying he should be defined by one bad decision...but I'm also saying it's a bad optic to name an award after the guy. Yeah..it was an "accident"...but one completely preventable. A friend of mine texted me last night when he saw the Twitter feed and said, "Is that the award for the player most likely to drive drunk?" |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 11, 2019 11:47:42 GMT -5
Funny to name an academic award after 1 of our 3 academic all americans in program history? If you want to talk about why it is funny then I'm happy to do it in a private message. |
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