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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 22, 2019 13:21:20 GMT -5
The thing with stuff like this is you can't really control "how it's done" if the coach isn't open to it. He's under no obligation to by the way. But if St. Joe's (of PA) said to Phil "Hey we're looking to move on, but we'd like this to be amicable, how about you agree to step aside" and he says (rightfully so)"Kick rocks. It's not my job to help you guys with your PR issues after you fire me" then you really don't have a lot of other options.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2019 13:22:10 GMT -5
I just read their board and you might be surprised just how much support the AD is getting. Near universal. Yeah...but not everyone with opinions posts on their board...like here
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Post by durenduren on Mar 22, 2019 13:39:50 GMT -5
I just read their board and you might be surprised just how much support the AD is getting. Near universal. Phil's "funeral" and "irreparable damage to my family" comments today changed the optics of the situation quickly. Consensus is - Phil needs a drink, a vacation, and some time off so he can stop acting so goddamn weird and vengeful.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2019 13:47:02 GMT -5
"Drinking reminds me of the gatorade my players used to drink and a vacation will only bring back memories of road trips past."
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 22, 2019 13:54:16 GMT -5
The thing with stuff like this is you can't really control "how it's done" if the coach isn't open to it. He's under no obligation to by the way. But if St. Joe's (of PA) said to Phil "Hey we're looking to move on, but we'd like this to be amicable, how about you agree to step aside" and he says (rightfully so)"Kick rocks. It's not my job to help you guys with your PR issues after you fire me" then you really don't have a lot of other options. DUP
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 22, 2019 14:00:15 GMT -5
I just read their board and you might be surprised just how much support the AD is getting. Near universal. Yeah, I think we underestimate this.
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 22, 2019 14:02:29 GMT -5
I just read their board and you might be surprised just how much support the AD is getting. Near universal. SJU alumni blindly supporting an AD two years in her tenure over a coach who was with the university for 34 years cause he said some bad words. Now that's a good look. They also are suggesting that they gave him the Dunphy option which is laughable. Some SJU alumni have absolutely ridiculous expectations for their program. They say things like "we know we aren't Nova winning championships but we should be in the NCAA tournament nearly every year." Nothing wrong in dreaming but the idea that they be able to 1. Find that guy and 2. hold on to him for an extended period of time is a complete and utter joke. They are just lying to themselves to make the situation not seem as ridiculous as it is.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 22, 2019 14:05:05 GMT -5
Phil decided to put SJU on blast. The argument could be made he would have handled it the same way regardless of how this went down - he's since made comments indicating a disconnect from realistic expectations of someone in his position, as if his embodiment of SJU made him impervious or some nonsense.
But damn, he's continued to go off. Phil's "Tour of Woe". No wonder he's lost the fan's support.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2019 14:05:30 GMT -5
"SJU alumni blindly choosing their alma mater over the former coach of their alma mater ..."
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 22, 2019 14:07:03 GMT -5
"SJU alumni blindly choosing their alma mater over the former coach of their alma mater ..." Come on man. You know that's not what I'm saying.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 22, 2019 14:09:30 GMT -5
Is there a proper way to let go of a guy who is going to compare his firing to his own death? Bingo. I could have been convinced until it became clear that Phil couldn't stop talking. He's not doing himself any favors.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2019 14:17:31 GMT -5
"SJU alumni blindly choosing their alma mater over the former coach of their alma mater ..." Come on man. You know that's not what I'm saying. You're claiming not taking his side is "blind support".
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Post by golasalle on Mar 22, 2019 14:33:35 GMT -5
The admin made a misstep in their statement, opening the door to this possibility. Had they included some lines about Phil, as stupid as it is, the optics of the scenario would have been changed, and he probably wouldn't have believed he had the moral high-ground. Still, he'd been butthurt, regardless. Agree with this. The admin's job in this scenario wasn't just to replace their basketball coach, but to understand the impact of the manner in which it was done on the fans, the former players, the recruits, the local community, etc. They miscalculated. As a result, within a week their 2 recruits have reopened their recruiting, their administration is under fire from former players and parents of current players, and it turned into a bit of a shit-show. Contrast that with last year at 20th and Olney in terms of how to handle it and it is a world of difference. That shows, quite frankly, Bradshaw's experience versus Bodensteiner. There are ways to do this in a fashion where everyone saves face. That didn't happen, and that's on the AD for miscalculating the broader impact and how he would react. His persona is very public, so not being able to see how he would react is Bodensteiner being a bit clueless as an administrator. It wouldn't surprise me if she ends up with a birdhouse on her head in a couple of years. Well, it also helped that Coach G is not a self-promoting jackass and that helped in the transition as well? It takes two to make the transition smooth and I agree that Bradshaw and president Hanycz handled it much better, but G didn't spend the next several days running to the media to cry about it. Martelli's comments are so over the top it is laughable. It has gotten to the point that even people who sympathized with him are probably saying "Geeze, enough already."
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 22, 2019 14:56:47 GMT -5
Come on man. You know that's not what I'm saying. You're claiming not taking his side is "blind support". I read it like you did. The vast majority of the message board crowd wanted him gone. He’s gone. They’re happy. Why are we team Phil?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2019 15:02:38 GMT -5
I don't think we are team "Phil" as much as team "34-year employee callously kicked to the curb after a few less than stellar seasons plagued with injuries".
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 22, 2019 15:06:41 GMT -5
I don't think we are team "Phil" as much as team "34-year employee callously kicked to the curb after a few less than stellar seasons plagued with injuries". Hes not some laborer who should expect a gold watch. He’s a college basketball coach who made over a million bucks a year. Their average tenure lasts like 6 years. You also weren’t involved in any internal meetings or conversations so let’s hold off on works like ‘callously’.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2019 15:09:13 GMT -5
Well, the release sucked. Even if it was a rush job because the meeting didn’t go how you expected, it’s on you for not expecting it and planning ahead.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2019 15:10:30 GMT -5
That’s where he screwed up the most. If you want to hurt the AD (and not university you love so much), a sarcastic remark or two about that is all you need to get most everyone on your side.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2019 15:10:53 GMT -5
yeah...the release was, objectively by multiple parties, seen as callous
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 22, 2019 15:44:10 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with supporting your alma mater. I do agree as I said before, his time was coming to an end. I'm just not happy with how it went down.
For many SJU alumni just a couple days ago on that board they weren't happy with how it was handled. Not necessarily that it was done.
Fast forward to Phil saying things he shouldn't of on the radio and they flipped the switch. You're supporting an AD cause your mad at Phil for what he said, not because you genuinely believe in what the AD has done and is doing. Whether the decision was right or wrong there were better ways to go about this.
Eventually his words will be forgotten by most and for the AD's sake she better make a homerun hire to meet their expectations or the SJU alum won't be so kind.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 22, 2019 16:04:56 GMT -5
Fast forward to Phil saying things he shouldn't of on the radio and they flipped the switch. You're supporting an AD cause your mad at Phil for what he said, not because you genuinely believe in what the AD has done and is doing. Whether the decision was right or wrong there were better ways to go about this. Lets say you're not a Phil loyalist (which is fine if you are, we all saw that with Speedy here). Isn't it reasonable to go through these three stages ... 1. I think Phil should be fired. 2. Wow, they did not handle this firing well. 3. Wow again, Phil is handling this terribly, maybe there's no way this could have gone well. I don't think that's "blind support for a new AD", its acknowledging the wrong phrasing of the right decision against what was likely destined to be a loudly aggrieved other party.
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Post by 23won on Mar 22, 2019 16:50:38 GMT -5
If SJU handled it properly than none of this happens. The guy was looking to go out on somewhat his own terms and find another job. Now that the narrative is that SJU did him wrong he can say whatever he wants without it really risking another opportunity. Is there a proper way to let go of a guy who is going to compare his firing to his own death? Yes but involves a scene with oranges as foreshadowing.
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Post by theneumann64 on Mar 22, 2019 16:59:10 GMT -5
Phil Martelli is not John Wooden. He has not earned “Coach until you decide to stop” status. I think he can still run a good program and they easily could’ve kept him, but it’s not like there isn’t a strong case for what they did.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 22, 2019 20:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Mar 22, 2019 21:19:23 GMT -5
That’s where he screwed up the most. If you want to hurt the AD (and not university you love so much), a sarcastic remark or two about that is all you need to get most everyone on your side. Phil let his emotions get the best of him. For days straight. As he ran to the media. As a result, people started growing tired of Phil and actually using his words to justify SJU's abrupt decision. Ironic.
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Post by broderickpresident on Mar 23, 2019 7:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Mar 23, 2019 8:22:24 GMT -5
Hakim Hart decommits to SJ.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 23, 2019 9:43:44 GMT -5
Hakim Hart decommits to SJ. huh
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Post by diehardexplorer on Mar 23, 2019 10:47:18 GMT -5
LSU, btw, ranked 330th in discipline and yet the team ranked 330th finished ahead of the 4th ranked team in the a10 standings.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Mar 23, 2019 11:00:45 GMT -5
Hakim Hart decommits to SJ. huh Inq reported that he has a good relationship with Coach Ash
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