MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2019 20:28:35 GMT -5
I’d be totally fine with them bringing a 50 year old coach who’s been in New England for well over a decade.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 19, 2019 20:31:01 GMT -5
I'd be fine with them bringing in Jameer.
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2019 21:04:05 GMT -5
Also that.
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Post by coachd on Mar 19, 2019 21:04:08 GMT -5
Donnie Carr! They couldn’t recruit him to Hawk Hill.... if they wait they could get Brett Brown if Sixers fail to get to Conference Finals.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 21:04:30 GMT -5
I'm hearing mixed things from my SJU friends on this tonight. Some thrilled...others beyond pissed. Most are annoyed with the AD...even the ones happy about it because they think the timing and the way he is being treated sucks...especially considering his father passed away about a month ago.
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Post by 1801olney on Mar 19, 2019 21:17:12 GMT -5
“That school”
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 21:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 21:31:47 GMT -5
Jay's take
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 19, 2019 21:36:02 GMT -5
I'm hearing mixed things from my SJU friends on this tonight. Some thrilled...others beyond pissed. Most are annoyed with the AD...even the ones happy about it because they think the timing and the way he is being treated sucks...especially considering his father passed away about a month ago. How exactly was Jill supposed to handle this? Unless Phil was going to announce a final year similar to Dunphy and ride off into the sunset, what was the proper send-off? It was never going to be easy to replace a coach of 25 years. She made a quick, clean break, the school can focus on its next hire before the upsets start happening and guys become hot names. Phil can decide what's next for him, coaching or media, he can regroup. He can come back to campus next season or in a couple of years and get recognized, have the court named after him, etc It's been a tough year for Phil, no denying that. As a La Salle guy, I couldn't stand him. But I will recognize that he did alot of charity work and I appreciate the Coaches vs Cancer work. I got the impression that he was close with Jay and Fran, not necessarily G.... But I could be completely wrong there. I will say that while Phil has an abrasive personality and a big ego, there was nobody in this area that saw opportunities to promote their school and did so every chance they could. Hence the Eagles predictions on Angelo's morning show every Friday, appearances on Daily News Live every chance he could, appearances at the Shore, golf outings, etc.... Nobody stomped for their school as much as Phil Martelli. Props to him for fighting to remain relevant in the Philadelphia sports scene as the coverage for college hoops shrinks smaller every year, as media sources change and traditional media face annual budget cuts. A tip of the cap. There's the incident from 15 years ago in which he got into an argument with the lady in Olean as the Hawks were pressing up 30, yawning when they beat GW in the regular season in 2005, the Todd O'Brien bullshit where he blocked the transfer to UAB....All of that rubs me the wrong way. However, you knew that whether the Hawks had 12 wins or 25, that they would be a tough matchup every single game. He could win in March, and had a decent track record in the A10 tourney. The man is a good coach.
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 19, 2019 21:40:48 GMT -5
Jay and Jon Roth hit the nail on the head.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Phil a couple times. I can tell you, like many, he is so genuine, passionate and just a good human being. I hated his antics during games and at a handful of press conferences over the years but this man gave everything he had to SJU's basketball program. He built that program which is still a very strong program and is recognized nationally by almost every college basketball fan.
SJU and the AD are an absolute disgrace for not giving this man who gave them everything he had for over 3 decades the time of day. This man lost his father not even a month ago.
To let his era end this way whether you think his time was up or not is beyond disrespectful and a real shame to this city's Big 5 tradition.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 19, 2019 21:53:42 GMT -5
Jay and Jon Roth hit the nail on the head. I've had the pleasure of meeting Phil a couple times. I can tell you, like many, he is so genuine, passionate and just a good human being. I hated his antics during games and at a handful of press conferences over the years but this man gave everything he had to SJU's basketball program. He built that program which is still a very strong program and is recognized nationally by almost every college basketball fan. SJU and the AD are an absolute disgrace for not giving this man who gave them everything he had for over 3 decades the time of day. This man lost his father not even a month ago. To let his era end this way whether you think his time was up or not is beyond disrespectful and a real shame to this city's Big 5 tradition. I feel terrible about Pops Martelli dying a month ago, but aside from saying, "Phil, next year is your last year, we want to honor you all next season," how else was this going to happen? The man was trying to work an extension as recently as last year, he still wanted to coach. Unless Phil was going to be a good soldier, and agree to a season long farewell tour (which would be a recruiting nightmare for the Hawks BTW), please explain to me a classy, dignified way of doing this.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 21:54:35 GMT -5
Jay and Jon Roth hit the nail on the head. SJU and the AD are an absolute disgrace for not giving this man who gave them everything he had for over 3 decades the time of day. This man lost his father not even a month ago. To let his era end this way whether you think his time was up or not is beyond disrespectful and a real shame to this city's Big 5 tradition. Agree. Love him or hate him, the man was a 34-year employee who got them to the Elite 8, sent several players to the NBA over the years, and won the conference tournament twice in the years since we've been to the Sweet 16. Yeah, there have been some injuries the past couple of years that he's had to coach through, and still almost beat Davidson in the conference tourney this year. I can't imagine that they couldn't give him another year to get him to 25 as a head coach, move him into a role of "basketball ambassador" or something raising money and being an external presence for the University, and letting him leave with dignity. I know I'm going to sound like an old curmudgeon here, and obviously we don't know all the circumstances, but I question the message this sends to younger people with regards to how you treat a 34-year loyal employee in this throw-away society of ours.
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 19, 2019 21:57:35 GMT -5
Got about as much dignity on the way out as Pete Davidson got from Ariana Grande.
“Thank u, next”
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 19, 2019 22:00:29 GMT -5
I'm hearing mixed things from my SJU friends on this tonight. Some thrilled...others beyond pissed. Most are annoyed with the AD...even the ones happy about it because they think the timing and the way he is being treated sucks...especially considering his father passed away about a month ago. How exactly was Jill supposed to handle this? Unless Phil was going to announce a final year similar to Dunphy and ride off into the sunset, what was the proper send-off? It was never going to be easy to replace a coach of 25 years. She made a quick, clean break, the school can focus on its next hire before the upsets start happening and guys become hot names. Phil can decide what's next for him, coaching or media, he can regroup. He can come back to campus next season or in a couple of years and get recognized, have the court named after him, etc It's been a tough year for Phil, no denying that. As a La Salle guy, I couldn't stand him. But I will recognize that he did alot of charity work and I appreciate the Coaches vs Cancer work. I got the impression that he was close with Jay and Fran, not necessarily G.... But I could be completely wrong there. By the AD not making this about politics and having "her guy" a priority over a man that's led the program for 34 years. By not firing him in just 5 days after the A10 tournament and having a total of zero discussions with him beforehand. La Salle gave Giannini two weeks and had MULTIPLE discussions with him. They didn't want to burn a bridge with G because of who he was to La Salle and who he is as a person. By not firing the guy a month after losing his father. By not even exploring the option of taking a similar approach to Temple allowing him the have one final season and transition the program to another coach whether that was someone on his staff or elsewhere. By not even mentioning any of his charitable work in your press release which was 3 DAMN PARAGRAPHS. The list goes on and on...
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 19, 2019 22:03:14 GMT -5
Press release was more akin to a 4 or 5 year coach that was pretty lousy every year.
You can say it’s a business all you want, but part of good business is also doing things right and doing right by the people that made you successful. This new AD doesn’t have this opportunity as a major step in her career if Martelli didn’t play a major role in the development of their Athletic Department and University.
My sense is she will also not hire someone with Philly/Big 5 ties but perhaps i’m wrong. Would be a shame since every other school has a Philly-tied HC. This could possibly be a disaster for them. Not predicting it will but there are huge shoes to fill there and the basketball community at large is pretty stunned at the decision and moreso at the way it was delivered.
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 19, 2019 22:05:01 GMT -5
Had no idea Lil Jon went to SJU. To be fair, I wouldn't publicize it either. He didn't. Some kid that went there started saying it on the internet as a joke and it spread. Some sites don't check their sources.
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Post by brotherteliow on Mar 19, 2019 22:05:25 GMT -5
Saint Joe ain't good people.
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 19, 2019 22:10:48 GMT -5
Been rooting against the guy for 15 years now, but he accomplished a lot and deserved better.
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2019 22:18:44 GMT -5
C’mon ... 6 weeks after his dad dies isn’t better than 4 weeks after his dad dies because it’s always bad. All the same people saying Giannini had to go and celebrating when he did are getting all sentimental about the how and when about the former coach of St. Joseph’s (of Pennsylvania) got let go.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 22:22:41 GMT -5
C’mon ... 6 weeks after his dad dies isn’t better than 4 weeks after his dad dies because it’s always bad. All the same people saying Giannini had to go and celebrating when he did are getting all sentimental about the how and when about the former coach of St. Joseph’s (of Pennsylvania) got let go. Night and day. G had a losing record, never won the A10 conference tourney, had 1 NCAA and 1 NIT appearance, was not a National Coach of the Year. Comparing G's accomplishments to Phil's is objectively ridiculous.
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Post by ltrain38 on Mar 19, 2019 22:28:37 GMT -5
I'm not saying they had to keep him; that's not my fight (I also don't remember calling for G's head or celebrating, though I agreed with the decision when it was made). But it seems like there are bad feelings in Martelli's case and that's coming into the public and given what he did there, I think they should have managed this better. And I'm grateful that G stabilized our program and got us to the point where we had a couple really good seasons, but as noted above, I wouldn't suggest his achievements were comparable.
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 19, 2019 22:29:26 GMT -5
C’mon ... 6 weeks after his dad dies isn’t better than 4 weeks after his dad dies because it’s always bad. All the same people saying Giannini had to go and celebrating when he did are getting all sentimental about the how and when about the former coach of St. Joseph’s (of Pennsylvania) got let go. Are you that clueless? I know you hate SJU. We all get it. We all don't like the school either. You always got to make it about G...but that's do that. If La Salle had kicked G out in THAT type of fashion I wouldn't be happy. Happy to move on but not kick a guy when he's down like G who's character we praised. It's about the delivery and how it was done NOT that it necessarily was. It also isn't even debatable how much more success and impact Martelli had with SJU compared to G at La Salle. Not. Even. Close. HE WAS WITH THE PROGRAM FOR 34 YEARS and accomplished a hell of lot. Give me a ******* break!
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Post by MisterD on Mar 19, 2019 22:36:50 GMT -5
Sorry guys, feels like I blew it by acknowledging a level of general humanity rather than applying some factor that includes win-loss record. Sorry. Sorry. Really embarrassed here.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 19, 2019 22:37:37 GMT -5
None of us have the slightest idea what actually happened. Do you think they just surprised him, just kicked him to the door after 30-some-odd years? I don't know squat, but I highly doubt they treated him with anything other the highest levels of respect.
Get a reality check. This was orchestrated with taking care of Phil as much as possible - why would they do it any other way?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 22:41:45 GMT -5
Get a reality check. This was orchestrated with taking care of Phil as much as possible - why would they do it any other way? Press release listing none of his accomplishments seems less than orchestrated to take care of Phil. La Salle had a more glowing press release about Brennan being canned, and that's a guy with a birdhouse on his head on here who may have been one of the most incompetent employees in the school's history.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 19, 2019 22:59:14 GMT -5
Get a reality check. This was orchestrated with taking care of Phil as much as possible - why would they do it any other way? Press release listing none of his accomplishments seems less than orchestrated to take care of Phil. La Salle had a more glowing press release about Brennan being canned, and that's a guy with a birdhouse on his head on here who may have been one of the most incompetent employees in the school's history. Is that the sole prerequisite to prove they didn't dump him on the cold street? Is it possible he may have requested they speak dont speak about him? We're jumping to a very rash assumption simply because everyone is losing their shit over Phil.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 19, 2019 23:02:46 GMT -5
Because I'm sure SJU said... this Phil guy, let's fire him. Screw his 30+ years, he's dead to us. Forget him. Forget his program-defining moments.
They're just looking to the future.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 20, 2019 5:01:25 GMT -5
Their AD is trying to not get fired.
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Post by 23won on Mar 20, 2019 6:30:01 GMT -5
Makes you appreciate more how La Salle and G handled the G departure.
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Post by sweat83 on Mar 20, 2019 6:39:27 GMT -5
Does Phil consider another job if offered? Maybe in the NY/NJ/PA/MD area?
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