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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 18, 2019 9:22:37 GMT -5
until you point out they have 12 Quad 1 games. So let's reward teams that have a bunch of bottom 10% wins and a bottom 10% loss here or there. But hey, they won a lot of games (against NCAA bottom feeders).
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Post by a10champion15 on Mar 18, 2019 9:29:11 GMT -5
By their own metric it’s indefensible. NET is horseshit. Bring back RPI. I don't know if it make a difference. Doesn't sound like it was weighed that heavily anyway similiar to RPI in the past. I'm glad they gave teams like Belmont a shot over a team like NC State who's 110% didn't deserve to be in.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 18, 2019 9:29:13 GMT -5
I know. I get all that logically. Regardless of conference, it's still tough to win 27 games in a year, and a loss in the conference final shouldn't keep them from the dance. I know RPIs and SOS and all that disagree, but still feels like if you get that many wins, you should be in over a sub-20 win team. Except they didn't play anybody! And I'm not saying that is their fault, but by your argument everyone should try to schedule the bottom 10% of the country OOC. The win count argument is so foolish, in my humble opinion. yeah, but now we reward mediocrity just by one's membership in a power conference.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 18, 2019 9:34:38 GMT -5
Except they didn't play anybody! And I'm not saying that is their fault, but by your argument everyone should try to schedule the bottom 10% of the country OOC. The win count argument is so foolish, in my humble opinion. yeah, but now we reward mediocrity just by one's membership in a power conference. So the mantra for tournament selection should be "Excellence, as judged by your immediate peers (that might be the worst)"
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Post by 23won on Mar 18, 2019 10:03:09 GMT -5
I think this year is the first time in history that the Winner of the Big 5 is not going to the NCAA Tournament. Wonder if Temple makes the cut. They are last 4 in or first 4 out depending on which bracketologist you follow. Penn peaked at the Nova game. They had some injuries which led to their mediocre league record. They will be tough next year and I'd bet that Betley gets a med redshirt for last year.
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Post by 23won on Mar 18, 2019 10:06:37 GMT -5
My only real problem is St. John's getting in. Fraud. I don't know a thing about UNCG but I'd like to see a mid-major over a fraud BE team in the Dance. See, I’ve watched Belmont three times this year and don’t think they belong. I’ve watched St Johns more and they have been a better basketball team. NET makes some grand proclamation about how good a team is on paper using efficiencies. RPI actually looks at your success, and who it was against. NET is clearly an invention of the P5 schools to get their sub .500 teams to the dance. Same for Quad 1 and 2.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 18, 2019 10:07:43 GMT -5
See, I’ve watched Belmont three times this year and don’t think they belong. I’ve watched St Johns more and they have been a better basketball team. NET makes some grand proclamation about how good a team is on paper using efficiencies. RPI actually looks at your success, and who it was against. NET is clearly an invention of the P5 schools to get their sub .500 teams to the dance. Same for Quad 1 and 2. No, the opposite.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 18, 2019 10:18:40 GMT -5
So let's reward teams that have a bunch of bottom 10% wins and a bottom 10% loss here or there. But hey, they won a lot of games (against NCAA bottom feeders). Again, you're ignoring the denominator. You can't argue "Syracuse/St. John's has more Quad 1 wins!" without acknowledging those wins come in like 4x the opportunities.
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Post by 23won on Mar 18, 2019 10:31:24 GMT -5
NET is clearly an invention of the P5 schools to get their sub .500 teams to the dance. Same for Quad 1 and 2. No, the opposite. How is that the case? Our top A10 teams wouldn't qualify on a NET, QUAD or SOS basis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 10:40:34 GMT -5
For all of it's flaws, Division 1 College Basketball is much more inclusive than College Football. It's nearly impossible for a school from the group of five to get a chance to win a national championship. In college basketball that is a possibility and some underdog team often comes in and makes some noise every year.
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 18, 2019 10:49:40 GMT -5
So let's reward teams that have a bunch of bottom 10% wins and a bottom 10% loss here or there. But hey, they won a lot of games (against NCAA bottom feeders). Again, you're ignoring the denominator. You can't argue "Syracuse/St. John's has more Quad 1 wins!" without acknowledging those wins come in like 4x the opportunities. Along these lines, take this excerpt from ESPN's " winners and losers" write-up: " LOSERS
Expanded Conference SchedulesPower conferences are playing more games than ever nowadays, and it might have cost them some bids on Selection Sunday. Texas went 16-16 after finishing below .500 in Big 12 play; Indiana was left out after losing 15 games overall and 12 in the Big Ten; Alabama had 15 losses overall and 10 in the SEC; TCU went 7-11 and didn't hear its name called either. Had those teams replaced a couple of league games with two wins in nonconference play, they might be in the field. It's easy to see why conference administrators want their members to play each other often: more chances at quality wins, fewer chances at bad losses. But the committee showed that at some point, the sheer number of losses a team suffers has to be a factor."
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Post by jellybean on Mar 18, 2019 12:09:14 GMT -5
Jon Rothstein said today on WFAN that St. John's should have won 12-13 BE games. Didn't come close to that. Their early season non-conference was a creampuff.
Anyone hear G on Angelo's radio show this morning. I just caught the 9 0'clock hour. Sounded great. Two things were really interesting.
First, Joel Embiid's HS coach told G that he had no D-1 offers as a JR and that should look at him. Embiid had only played two years of organized ball.
Second, was the comment about whether it was good to be a college program in a heavy pro town like Philly. G said Martelli always said it was a good thing. G then told a story about a HC from U of Illnois who wanted to have a quiet dinner with his wife so he drove two hours to Chicago only to have a homeless man tell him that the coach was having a bad season. In otherwords, you are under the microscope all the time.
My take on that is it's great for the coaches but not the die hard fans. Lack of coverage.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 18, 2019 12:11:49 GMT -5
Kenpom has them 327 NCSoS. Pair that with under .500 in-conference and ... just what the f-word?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 18, 2019 14:21:59 GMT -5
Somewhat relevant to the discussions here, ESPN has a good 30 For 30 Short about the Princeton vs Georgetown game in 1989, and how, prior to that game, the major conferences were looking to push the mid-majors out of the NCAA Tournament completely. In the days following that game, CBS hatched its plan to start televising all the games and start interrupting prime-time TV in the years that followed. Had Princeton been blown out by Georgetown, the thinking was that Butler, George Mason, and Loyola-Chicago making deep runs would not have happened as the mid majors and smaller conferences would have been relegated to the NIT. www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=thebilliondollargame
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Post by coachd on Mar 18, 2019 15:35:57 GMT -5
All of the good wins and Quad 1 stuff is nonsense. St. John's has 5 Quad 1 wins which is pretty nice until you point out they have 12 Quad 1 games. Its back to (or a continuation of) rewarding teams for their existence in a conference. (Syracuse was 3-9 in Quad 1.) Money talks. The Red Storm and Orange have tons of wealthy alums. If money were no factor the SEC would have permanently outlawed decades ago if NCAA bothered to enfore rules.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 18, 2019 19:04:39 GMT -5
Do I need to start a new thread to talk CBI and CIT?
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 18:14:38 GMT -5
ESPN rated the coaches in the NCAA tournament from their playing days. A familiar name at #16. Ranking 2019 NCAA tournament coaches as players, 1-68 es.pn/2TemBs6
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 19:50:29 GMT -5
Clemons got 30 on 10-25 shooting tonight in a loss. He ends his career 6 points ahead of Simmons dropping L-Train to 4th all time.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Mar 19, 2019 19:53:20 GMT -5
Clemons got 30 on 10-25 shooting tonight in a loss. He ends his career 6 points ahead of Simmons dropping L-Train to 4th all time. He scored 9 points in the last 2 minutes of the game to move ahead of Lionel.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 19, 2019 20:22:43 GMT -5
Ridiculous chucking going on. I'm glad they lost the game.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 20, 2019 7:36:19 GMT -5
Davidson and Dayton out in the first round of the NIT. A10 is 0-2 in postseason so far.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 20, 2019 8:36:32 GMT -5
Fran Dunphy ends (?) his great career.
18 times over 20 wins and only 6 sub .500 seasons, and as many NCAA Tournament wins in 30 years as Dr. G once had in 5 days. Funny how this game works.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 20, 2019 8:43:29 GMT -5
Fran Dunphy ends (?) his great career. 18 times over 20 wins and only 6 sub .500 seasons, and as many NCAA Tournament wins in 30 years as Dr. G once had in 5 days. Funny how this game works. the Big 5 lost Dunphy and Martelli on the same day - 54 years of head coaching experience, 24 NCAA tournaments, 1024 wins combined over 1677 games.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 20, 2019 9:14:10 GMT -5
Fran Dunphy ends (?) his great career. 18 times over 20 wins and only 6 sub .500 seasons, and as many NCAA Tournament wins in 30 years as Dr. G once had in 5 days. Funny how this game works. the Big 5 lost Dunphy and Martelli on the same day - 54 years of head coaching experience, 24 NCAA tournaments, 1024 wins combined over 1677 games. Dunphy’s and Martelli’s teams each won 3 A-10 Tourney Championships - more than any other school’s total in A-10 history except for Temple (9), UMass (5) and Xavier (4). Chaney won 6, Matta had 2 and Calipari won 5 straight, 1992-96. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_10_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament
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Post by 23won on Mar 20, 2019 11:06:22 GMT -5
Dunphy only coached in A10 for 7 years and had 3 A10 titles
Chaney had 6 titles in 25 years
Don’t know the actual record but it seems like we almost never beat a Dunphy coached team
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 20, 2019 11:14:35 GMT -5
Fran Dunphy ends (?) his great career. 18 times over 20 wins and only 6 sub .500 seasons, and as many NCAA Tournament wins in 30 years as Dr. G once had in 5 days. Funny how this game works. Spent a lot of time in the Ivy League. 20 win seasons don't matter there as you play a lot of buy games- judge him by his conference record. Same with big schools where guys have 20 win seasons because they go 11 and 1 in nonconference loading up on cupcakes.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 20, 2019 11:44:59 GMT -5
Fran Dunphy ends (?) his great career. 18 times over 20 wins and only 6 sub .500 seasons, and as many NCAA Tournament wins in 30 years as Dr. G once had in 5 days. Funny how this game works. Spent a lot of time in the Ivy League. 20 win seasons don't matter there as you play a lot of buy games- judge him by his conference record. Same with big schools where guys have 20 win seasons because they go 11 and 1 in nonconference loading up on cupcakes. So does saying... 21 times over 10 conference wins and only 5 times under .500 in conference play change the story much? Still a hell of a coach. Those early 90's Penn teams were good and frequently got jobbed by bad seeding and the committee trying to play cute as a matchmaker.
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Post by hoopsguest on Mar 20, 2019 12:26:05 GMT -5
Spent a lot of time in the Ivy League. 20 win seasons don't matter there as you play a lot of buy games- judge him by his conference record. Same with big schools where guys have 20 win seasons because they go 11 and 1 in nonconference loading up on cupcakes. So does saying... 21 times over 10 conference wins and only 5 times under .500 in conference play change the story much? Still a hell of a coach. Those early 90's Penn teams were good and frequently got jobbed by bad seeding and the committee trying to play cute as a matchmaker. I thought you were criticizing Dunphy - you were just pointing out the oddities of college hoops.
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Post by blueandgold on Mar 22, 2019 13:26:48 GMT -5
I think the Bonnies clock operator is in Columbus for the Iowa vs Cincy game. They have now stopped the game multiple times in the final minute or so to fix clock due to extra run-offs.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 22, 2019 15:11:38 GMT -5
Watching Kansas State get upset as a 4 seed brings back fond memories...
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