Longest La Salle losing streaks/Worst Starts

[broderickpresident]

We can make some history on Saturday...

Longest Single-Season La Salle losing streaks
10 in 2015-16 with an average margin of defeat of 18.3 PPG
9 in 2018-19 (active) with an average margin of defeat of 12.3
9 in 1965-66 with an average margin of defeat of 12.4

Maybe we can break the streak in AC again...

Worst Season Starts

2018-19: 0-9
1995-96: 0-6 (1st win in AC)
2003-04: 0-4
1971-72: 0-4

[durenduren]

Dec 5, 2018 12:47:47 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

We can make some history on Saturday...

Longest La Salle losing streaks
10 in 2015-16 with an average margin of defeat of 18.3 PPG
9 in 2018-19 (active) with an average margin of defeat of 12.3
9 in 1965-66 with an average margin of defeat of 12.4

Experiencing two of those three in a few seasons has me feeling like a Browns fan.

[GlitterBro #2]

extending this back to last season, we have an 11-game losing streak going.

[mookie]

Anything worth doing is worth doing right

[MisterD]

We're 34th in Kenpom SoS.

[GlitterBro #2]

Dec 5, 2018 13:44:34 GMT -5 MisterD said:

We're 34th in Kenpom SoS.

I hope the selection committee takes that into account in March

[broderickpresident]

Dec 5, 2018 13:37:21 GMT -5 GlitterBro #2 said:

extending this back to last season, we have an 11-game losing streak going.

I should add that I considered single-season losing streaks only. Though I'll also add that it's been very rare over the years that we've lost our opener. (I'd venture to say that 2018-19 Temple is one of the stronger season-opening opponents we've had. Last one I can think of that was definitively stronger was probably 1989-90 SE Miss St. who went 22-7 and earned a 9 seed in the tourney. Year before that we opened with 1988-89 Syracuse, which is unquestionably one of the most talented teams in the history of CBB with 6 NBA players and college sharpshooter Matt Roe)

2013-14 Manhattan was also a nice team

[MisterD]

Dec 5, 2018 13:49:13 GMT -5 GlitterBro #2 said:

Dec 5, 2018 13:44:34 GMT -5 MisterD said:

We're 34th in Kenpom SoS.

I hope the selection committee takes that into account in March

I hope the fan message board takes that into account when assessing the first 10 games of a coach's career.

[GlitterBro #2]

Dec 5, 2018 13:51:05 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Dec 5, 2018 13:49:13 GMT -5 GlitterBro #2 said:

I hope the selection committee takes that into account in March

I hope the fan message board takes that into account when assessing the first 10 games of a coach's career.

Warren Nolan and RealTimeRPI have our SOS in the 163-167 range. Not sure how Kenpom is computing in the 30s with teams like Bucknell, Grand Canyon, and Alabama A&M on the schedule.

[Gnocchi]

Dec 5, 2018 13:56:37 GMT -5 GlitterBro #2 said:

Dec 5, 2018 13:51:05 GMT -5 MisterD said:

I hope the fan message board takes that into account when assessing the first 10 games of a coach's career.

Warren Nolan and RealTimeRPI have our SOS in the 163-167 range. Not sure how Kenpom is computing in the 30s with teams like Bucknell, Grand Canyon, and Alabama A&M on the schedule.

TeamRankings has the Explorers’ SOS at 91 and Overbrook at 92.

www.teamrankings.com/ncb/rankings/teams/

The better news - Alabama A&M is 254.

[GlitterBro #2]

RealTime RPI - SOS and RPI for A10 teams:

realtimerpi.com/rpi_atl10_Men.html

[MisterD]

Kenpom is a lot more relative performance rather than results.

[coachd]

Dec 5, 2018 13:27:23 GMT -5 durenduren said:

Dec 5, 2018 12:47:47 GMT -5 broderickpresident said:

We can make some history on Saturday...

Longest La Salle losing streaks
10 in 2015-16 with an average margin of defeat of 18.3 PPG
9 in 2018-19 (active) with an average margin of defeat of 12.3
9 in 1965-66 with an average margin of defeat of 12.4

Experiencing two of those three in a few seasons has me feeling like a Browns fan.

Nah, you are more of a Detroit Lions fan.

[belfieldhappyhour]

[GlitterBro #2]

[walkon]

 I have to believe we would not be winless if we still had Giannini, on the sidelines. 

 Even in his first season in 2004-2005 he got 10 wins.  That is after all of the off the court issues from the previous program.  I know times are not exactly the same but I think there’s also other people out there that feel the same way.   In terms of coaching styles we went from one extreme to the other- G  certainly was an extreme in his reactions in comparison to Ash will respect to their coaching styles-in their coaching styles. But I think it has to be somewhere in the middle of the two to be effective.  I don’t think he is getting the most out of the guys we have right now in my opinion. 

[JoeFedorowicz]

Giannini had someone on his roster that played in the nba and another player that scored 1600 total points.

[a10champion15]

Dec 6, 2018 6:24:29 GMT -5 walkon said:

 I have to believe we would not be winless if we still had Giannini, on the sidelines. 

 Even in his first season in 2004-2005 he got 10 wins.  That is after all of the off the court issues from the previous program.  I know times are not exactly the same but I think there’s also other people out there that feel the same way.   In terms of coaching styles we went from one extreme to the other- G  certainly was an extreme in his reactions in comparison to Ash will respect to their coaching styles-in their coaching styles. But I think it has to be somewhere in the middle of the two to be effective.  I don’t think he is getting the most out of the guys we have right now in my opinion. 

You're high but I'll entertain this.

In addition to what Joe said this team doesn't have a legitimate big right now thanks to G and they are getting torched inside. Let's go with your thought though maybe, just maybe G wins a couple of those games.

He wins those games at the expense of the teams development and with no offensive or defensive strategy. He constantly was switching from man to zone defense neither of which he ever perfected, subbing in and out players, his set plays on offense were legitimately pathetic.

Point A being that Dayton game a couple seasons ago. The team slowed the game down, there was zero rhythm which really affected Dayton, there were minimal set plays run, just grinded out a game by playing an asinine style of basketball. Yes, they won the game but what did the team learn from that win, close to nothing.

So yes, maybe G wins a couple of those games but season in and season out he struggled to develop players, create an identity, and lacked a strong coaching staff.

Howard has a plan and you need to let it play out.

Enough with G. We have moved on and you should too. Howard is our coach so if you really want to judge him 9 games into the season I don't want to see any posts if and when he turns this program around.

[MisterD]

We would have more than zero wins right now if Giannini were still coach. We're better positioned for the future with Howard the coach. Not a goddamn thing about any of that has changed since April.

[GlitterBro #2]

I think our biggest problem is lack of a band, no seats behind the basket, and no dollar dog nights yet this season. Implement those three things, and we are 3-6 right now.

[weston2]

Right now it's the Andy Dufresne effect ( Shawshank Redemption)...………….Hope is a good thing, and a good thing never dies.

[durenduren]

Who gives a rat's ass if Giannini would have gotten us a win this season. Such a lose-lose debate. The guy wasn't winning sufficient games at the A10 level, and he had a tenure that illustrated exactly who he was. I don't believe it to be true at all, but even if Ash Howard is a dud, at least we took a chance to improve the program rather than sit on our asses, accepting extreme mediocrity.

Next person that brings up Giannini gets your internet turned off.

[MisterD]

So speaking of the history of Bank of America ...

[theneumann64]

I think it's fine to be a little concerned or disappointed with being 0-9, but you have to keep it in the context of what this season means for the program. I'd be happier if we were 3-6 right now (which is really around the best anyone could've reasonably expected), but it also wouldn't really make any difference in the long term trajectory of the program.

I guess what I'm saying is you shouldn't be any less (or more) optimistic now than you were 8 months ago when Howard was hired, based on these first 9 games.

[weston2]

Dec 6, 2018 10:22:44 GMT -5 GlitterBro #2 said:

I think our biggest problem is lack of a band, no seats behind the basket, and no dollar dog nights yet this season. Implement those three things, and we are 3-6 right now.

No football...………..Ghost of McCarthy Stadium. We need a periscope for a mascot?(see Stanford with that tree guy) or a lunar lander?

[MisterD]

Dec 6, 2018 11:40:54 GMT -5 theneumann64 said:

I guess what I'm saying is you shouldn't be any less (or more) optimistic now than you were 8 months ago when Howard was hired, based on these first 9 games.

Right. 0-9 or 3-6 or 0-13 or 4-9 won't matter any more 12 months from now than whatever you had for dinner last night.

[a10champion15]

Dec 6, 2018 11:40:54 GMT -5 theneumann64 said:

I think it's fine to be a little concerned or disappointed with being 0-9, but you have to keep it in the context of what this season means for the program. I'd be happier if we were 3-6 right now (which is really around the best anyone could've reasonably expected), but it also wouldn't really make any difference in the long term trajectory of the program.

I guess what I'm saying is you shouldn't be any less (or more) optimistic now than you were 8 months ago when Howard was hired, based on these first 9 games.

Absolutely, we just have to stop bringing up G. I somewhat regret my harsh tone earlier. I'm just so tired of it.

[luhoopsfan]

Dec 6, 2018 12:06:32 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Dec 6, 2018 11:40:54 GMT -5 theneumann64 said:

I guess what I'm saying is you shouldn't be any less (or more) optimistic now than you were 8 months ago when Howard was hired, based on these first 9 games.

Right. 0-9 or 3-6 or 0-13 or 4-9 won't matter any more 12 months from now than whatever you had for dinner last night.

I had Chipotle last night. It mattered this morning I’ll tell you that much.

[GlitterBro #2]

Dec 6, 2018 12:54:50 GMT -5 luhoopsfan said:

Dec 6, 2018 12:06:32 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Right. 0-9 or 3-6 or 0-13 or 4-9 won't matter any more 12 months from now than whatever you had for dinner last night.

I had Chipotle last night. It mattered this morning I’ll tell you that much.

I'll take "Food I Just Rent" for $500, Alex.

[luhoopsfan]

My take is the schedule was aligned for a team with legit post season aspirations. This roster does not have enough players at that level to have legitimate aspirations of playing in March.

This is essentially a team of all freshmen. Everyone is learning a new system that, to me, looks like a significant step away from what was in place previously. Throw in a bunch of tough opponents and you see the record.

Had it been possible to change the schedule, I’m sure Ash could have gotten a bunch of Alabama A&M’s to play and we could be like 4-5 or something right now. But what would that change about the future course? Not much if anything at all.

We still have the right guy in charge of the basketball program, the Athletic department and the right woman in charge of the University overall to get this program where we want it to be.

I’m choosing to really live in this moment because soon, when things are bright, we will have realized how the struggle as fans was worth it, but imagine being the person who is responsible for getting us through this. To me, now is the time to enjoy supporting the program and getting things headed up. Just think, it’s hard to imagine things not being much better in as little as 12 months in terms of wins and losses even if all we play are cupcakes.