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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 22, 2018 10:53:51 GMT -5
You implied it was a good model. I don’t think it is a good model. I want more for La Salle. I have nothing against any kids choosing them however. This board is for La Salle fans and most of us don’t care about Rider. We are more concerned about La Salle getting better. Those kids you mentioned were not going to help La Salle move to the top of the A-10 and neither was Turner. I am happy for them but we are more concerned and interested in who can help us.
Not saying it's good... Not saying it's bad...
What i am, apparently UNSUCCESSFULLY, trying to do is explain a series of individual decisions made by 17-18 year old kid to choose one college and not others...
My post was based on first-hand observation of the decision-making process as it has unfolded...
I also watched up close as Donta Scott, Dahmir Bishop, Naheem McLeod, Seth Lundy, Isaiah Wong, and Eric Dixon made their college choices...
I may be wrong, but each of these top 100-125 kids would help any A10 program... Indeed ALL of them went HIGH MAJOR...
Not trying to get into an argument with any of you guys... Just sharing some 1st hand observations based on discussions with the kids and their parents...
No worries... No harm intended... Will certainly refrain from further discussion of recruiting decision-making processes on this board...
Respectfully
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Post by durenduren on Nov 22, 2018 11:02:52 GMT -5
So he went 30 Minutes outside of Philly? Don't know of many track stars shot in the head in Lawrenceville, NJ... Don't know of many weekends filled with gun violence in Lawrenceville, NJ... Rider has a small suburban campus... Rider has a WONDERFUL practice facility solely for Men's basketball... Rider has modern basketball offices... Rider has about 8 area players on scholarship... They are doing something right 30 minute outside of Philly
Rider is Rider, and the recruits had reasons for choosing Rider so I'm not knocking them or what the school is doing to be successful, but let's make two things clear: 1. Those recruits weren't drastically moving the needle for La Salle or any other A10 schools. So with that in mind... 2. Stating specifically that gun crime put urban schools at a disadvantage is disingenuous. It might have the optics of an escape from the "urban lifestyle" if that's what's being sought by the recruit, but La Salle is to gun crime in Philly as Rider is to gun crime in Trenton. I also don't know many people who get shot in the back of the head at the Lawrenceville Applebees, but it happened, just like shootings occasionally occur in the 35th District. But it's not like someone didn't take hostages at gunpoint at a Princeton Panera, or there wasnt a major shooting at an overnight art festival in Trenton... Crime happens on Rider's campus at no higher a rate than it happens at La Salle, and that's a fact. If the pitch was "just trying to escape the city", I'm fine with that and I understand. But I don't think your pitch was very fair. But for the sake of your argument, I'm also ignoring that one of Rider's basketball players - Domineco Vaughn - was arrested last year on illegal firearms and narcotics possession. Can't say that's happened at La Salle for a school being pitched as being more unsafe or exposed to a dangerous lifestyle. www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjDuZjnrujeAhWunuAKHbHCCQoQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatch.com%2Fnew-jersey%2Flawrenceville%2Frider-university-basketball-player-charged-weapons-narcotics-possession&psig=AOvVaw2aXi-wadLc9yK1SOvIp6Va&ust=1542988656122813
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 22, 2018 11:14:11 GMT -5
Not trying to get into a pissing contest...
I talk to the Rider kids... I talk to Scott, Bishop, McLeod, Dixon, Lundy, Hart, Wong, etc...
Just relaying what I know to be TRUE about their "perception"... They base their decisions on their perceptions of their individual situations...
Again, I apologize... I'm really trying to avoid NEGATIVE energy in this scholastic/collegiate basketball coverage that I provide...
In fact I'm gonna delete my posts on this thread!!
#GoExplorers
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Post by las71 on Nov 22, 2018 11:19:28 GMT -5
Not sure why we are so angry about Del's explanation about why Turner chose Rider. It's just information, I didn't read it as an attack on La Salle. Recruiting outside of the power5 and big east is becoming increasingly difficult. Schools like La Salle and dare I say it Rider for that matter have to do a better job at projecting how available recruits will fit in at the next level. Much more difficult than just offering 4 and 5 star prospects. Ash has shown an ability to recruit some under the radar type kids at Villanova, Gillespie for one and he will have to do that even better here. He's going to need a couple of classes here to get the types of kids he wants from the available pool of kids. Ash didn't offer Turner until October 15th. Seems clear he was not a priority recruit and Turner no doubt recognized that and chose a school that had been involved much longer. Makes sense to me. Archidiacono was offered on the last day of the early signing period. If Ash really wants him, he will have to stay on him through the late signing period. It's a tough business when resources are limited. That said, I choose to believe!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 22, 2018 11:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Nov 22, 2018 11:33:59 GMT -5
I'm not angry about Turner or Rider's success, but I did not think the way Del explained it was totally accurate or fair, and it deserved some correction.
Wanting to leave the city - and everything they might associate with it - is a different story, and that I get. But La Salle is a very safe school. Just like Rider.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 22, 2018 12:22:46 GMT -5
I'm not angry about Turner or Rider's success, but I did not think the way Del explained it was totally accurate or fair, and it deserved some correction. Wanting to leave the city - and everything they might associate with it - is a different story, and that I get. But La Salle is a very safe school. Just like Rider.
Again... No matter how many times I try to explain it, I FAIL to convey it...
Decisions are based on one's perception of a situation...
If Turner "believes" that Lawrenceville is safer than Philadelphia, that is the basis of his decision... PERIOD
His "perception" drives the decision...
No one is arguing anything else... I have had at least 10 families of Philadelphia D1 basketball recruits express very similar concerns to me in the past few months...
While Philly has always been violent, student-athletes are being caught up these days... In the past, student-athletes were kinda given a pass and excluded...
Parents are taking note
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Post by durenduren on Nov 22, 2018 12:42:30 GMT -5
That's fine, but that's not what you said. You started citing a specific crime where an athlete was killed during a random, botched robbery. I had issue with what you said, not that a kid who grew up in Philly wanted to leave the city - that I totally understand, and get that they're trying to give him an option to leave the city stuff behind. I would too.
I know the weight of perception, but you're doing the perception no favors by neglecting to cite relevant facts that Rider had a player arrested for gun crime, while also stretching Philadelphia shootings to relate directly La Salle, even though it's as safe of a campus as Rider.
All college campuses in Philadelphia are pretty damn safe, and we all know that. But the Rider case is proof that you can get caught up in dangerous, stupid stuff regardless of where your school is located.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 22, 2018 12:50:29 GMT -5
That's fine, but that's not what you said. You started citing a specific crime where an athlete was killed during a random, botched robbery. I had issue with what you said, not that a kid who grew up in Philly wanted to leave the city - that I totally understand, and get that they're trying to give him an option to leave the city stuff behind. I would too. I know the weight of perception, but you're doing the perception no favors by neglecting to cite relevant facts that Rider had a player arrested for gun crime, while also stretching Philadelphia shootings to relate directly La Salle, even though it's as safe of a campus as Rider. All college campuses in Philadelphia are pretty damn safe, and we all know that. But the Rider case is proof that you can get caught up in dangerous, stupid stuff regardless of where your school is located.
I give up...
Good luck Bro... Hope you get one today!
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 22, 2018 13:10:04 GMT -5
For the record... Multiple student-athletes have been shot in Philadelphia in recent months... Multiple youth coaches have been shot in Philadelphia...
Multiple...
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 24, 2018 7:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by diehardexplorer on Nov 24, 2018 9:00:22 GMT -5
very impressive, well-written article by the young man. he's been through more hardships in 18 years than most go through in a lifetime. good luck to him at rider.
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 24, 2018 16:42:21 GMT -5
very impressive, well-written article by the young man. he's been through more hardships in 18 years than most go through in a lifetime. good luck to him at rider.
Thx for reading... Many of these Philly kids endure real hardships... I am so pleased they trust Black Cager with their stories...
#respect
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Post by phillyhoops4life on Nov 27, 2018 1:37:23 GMT -5
I'm telling you...
Parents want to leave Philly... Parents of student-athletes want their children to leave Philly...
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Post by glorydays on Nov 28, 2018 7:14:05 GMT -5
Del. Based on your previous writings you have been on top of this subject for a long time.
Just the population move out of the city is telling. When I attended La Salle the City of Philadelphia population was over 2 million. Now, it is hovering at 1.5 million.
Based on where you live in the city, I understand folks wanting to move out.
La Salle isn't going anywhere.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 28, 2018 8:06:22 GMT -5
I'm totally unqualified to speak on this subject, so all I'll say is this- I could definitely see where if you grew up in a rough part of the city (or any city) and experienced all of the things that usually come with that, I could understand why you and your family would be eager to have you go a school in a totally different type of area.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 28, 2018 9:41:44 GMT -5
Yup, although the opposite holds true as well. I wouldn't have gone to La Salle had it been outside of Philadelphia.
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Post by weston2 on Nov 28, 2018 12:55:21 GMT -5
Del. Based on your previous writings you have been on top of this subject for a long time. Just the population move out of the city is telling. When I attended La Salle the City of Philadelphia population was over 2 million. Now, it is hovering at 1.5 million. Based on where you live in the city, I understand folks wanting to move out. La Salle isn't going anywhere. Based on how the city counts things, wouldn't be surprised at whatever the real number is, legal or otherwise. Personally, I want nothing to do with the city of Philadelphia.....the millennials can have it. A nice place gone awry. You can't go home again..........
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Post by postup on Nov 28, 2018 13:23:39 GMT -5
Prospects are suspects until they prove otherwise. Just look at this season's product....."Ooooo...we got a 3-star recruit." "Ooooo....I saw so-and-so's workout this summer. He looked soooo good!" Yeah, whatever.......0-7.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 28, 2018 18:44:34 GMT -5
Personally, I want nothing to do with the city of Philadelphia.....the millennials can have it. A nice place gone awry. You can't go home again.......... God damn yuppies.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 28, 2018 22:06:39 GMT -5
Whatever it says about me, I think it’s 100x better now than 20 years ago.
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Post by weston2 on Nov 28, 2018 22:20:57 GMT -5
Personally, I want nothing to do with the city of Philadelphia.....the millennials can have it. A nice place gone awry. You can't go home again.......... God damn yuppies. Maybe moreso, the politicians.....
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Post by durenduren on Nov 29, 2018 8:35:43 GMT -5
Maybe moreso, the politicians..... God damn yuppie politicians.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Nov 29, 2018 8:55:09 GMT -5
maybe they want to leave the city to buy soda more cheaply
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Nov 29, 2018 9:04:59 GMT -5
Whatever it says about me, I think it’s 100x better now than 20 years ago. Center City is booming, so is University City, Manayunk is back, river wards booming.... The Northeast took a nosedive, but yes, the city is doing well. The soda tax sucks, and you guys get gouged over the guise of schools, but the city is booming.
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Post by louth on Nov 29, 2018 17:31:31 GMT -5
Philadelphia has the largest population in poverty of any of the 25 largest cities in America, a terrible statistic despite the booming areas.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Nov 29, 2018 19:15:42 GMT -5
Philadelphia has the largest population in poverty of any of the 25 largest cities in America, a terrible statistic despite the booming areas. Can you cite that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 22:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by cjprof on Nov 29, 2018 23:35:59 GMT -5
Statistica has Detroit #1 and Philadelphia #2 for the last full year of data (2017).
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