LaSallePal
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Post by LaSallePal on Apr 19, 2018 19:50:11 GMT -5
None of them address the critique of the art sale - that it violates ethics of major organizations in the art world and has been perceived in academia broadly as a removal of emphasis from the humanities. This is already where the university's at. Of the most recently graduated class of 763 ( link), I count 93 with degrees in the humanities. You can add five more in for economics, five for math, and around seven for religion if you're so inclined. There's also 61 psychology graduates if you want to shoehorn them in. At best, that's 15% excluding psychology and 22% including psychology who graduate with a degree in a field of the humanities from a liberal arts university. Meanwhile, 51% graduated with a degree in either nursing, business or a field allied with those. Based on that, I have to ask: Is La Salle really a liberal arts institution in 2018?As a personal aside, the university as part of the budget trimming removed Latin. That's fine, no one majors in the Classics anymore, but you know who else took courses in the Latin and Greek languages? Aspiring medical and law students. That's going to matter, but you won't see it on the balance sheet today.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 19, 2018 19:59:57 GMT -5
If you had dreams of going to med school, you probably aren't targeting La Salle or La Salle's Latin program.
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Post by ltrain38 on Apr 19, 2018 21:29:57 GMT -5
If you had dreams of going to med school, you probably aren't targeting La Salle or La Salle's Latin program But see, there's my problem. I did my graduate work at top-tier institutions. I got a great education in the humanities at La Salle that let me do that. The result is that the programs that mattered to me and formed my education are being hurt by this and I don't accept that people with interest in fields like mine should just go somewhere else. If La Salle is just a business and nursing school, why should it mean anything to me?
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Post by jellybean on Apr 20, 2018 6:09:57 GMT -5
If you had dreams of going to med school, you probably aren't targeting La Salle or La Salle's Latin program. This is BULLSHIT. La Salle has a very strong tradition for placing students in Medical, Dental and Veterinary Schools. The acceptance rate is close to 95% the last time I heard. I see many physicians around me at games. Shame that you are so uninformed about your University. On many occasions I have told the Administration we need to promote the Science Building and this acceptance rate. And I was a Business Major.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2018 6:36:28 GMT -5
I’d love to know what percentage of graduates over the last two decades become medical doctors and whether or not that number warrants highlighting that path.
My doctor and my kid’s dentist are both La Salle undergrads. They’re also both in their late 60s. I have no data to back up what I think, but I know roughly 100 alums around my graduation year and exactly one of them is a medical doctor; something they did after shortly being a teacher. La Salle had no influence on that decision.
I wonder if this data even exists.
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Post by 1801olney on Apr 20, 2018 7:56:19 GMT -5
I doubt the data exists. I don't think I've ever received anything like a survey that asked my occupation post-graduation. I do know atleast two people who graduated with me went on to become MD's and my optometrist is a late 90's graduate as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 8:05:46 GMT -5
The data does exist, and since you're a data guy, you know that your own lack of evidence does not qualify as evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 8:06:47 GMT -5
I doubt the data exists. I don't think I've ever received anything like a survey that asked my occupation post-graduation. I do know atleast two people who graduated with me went on to become MD's and my optometrist is a late 90's graduate as well. Check your spam filter. Colleges send these surveys out all the time, and La Salle's survey is no different.
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Post by SICguy84 on Apr 20, 2018 8:09:37 GMT -5
Alumni relations office is responsible.
My physician graduated from LAS in 80s. My college roommate became an MD. If you look at the roll of donors the greatest concentration with letters behind their names is from the 50s to 80s.
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Post by 1801olney on Apr 20, 2018 8:09:43 GMT -5
I doubt the data exists. I don't think I've ever received anything like a survey that asked my occupation post-graduation. I do know atleast two people who graduated with me went on to become MD's and my optometrist is a late 90's graduate as well. Check your spam filter. Colleges send these surveys out all the time, and La Salle's survey is no different. Ok.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 8:36:28 GMT -5
Art Museum Sale proceeds +2.2M Sunshine Foods proceeds -5.4M Net Deficit -3.2M
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2018 8:47:07 GMT -5
The data does exist, and since you're a data guy, you know that your own lack of evidence does not qualify as evidence. I literally said as much in my post.
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Post by gymratlsc72 on Apr 20, 2018 9:22:52 GMT -5
Regarding La Salle grads applying to Medical/Dental Schools, the data is collected by those who provide Pre-Health Profession Advising. Historical outcomes statistics, I think, are shared with those who are considering attending La Salle for Pre-Med, Pre-Dental, etc. "In addition to your academic adviser, you may be assigned to, or informally develop, connections with, other faculty and/or administrators who will assist with specific career choices. For those interested in medicine and health related fields, the Pre-Health Professions Advisory Committee provides advisement." Did you know that La Salle also offers a Post-Baccalaureate Pre-Medical Certificate Program? Yes, in addition to La Salle students, graduates of other universities also come to La Salle for this!
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 20, 2018 9:49:17 GMT -5
None of them address the critique of the art sale - that it violates ethics of major organizations in the art world and has been perceived in academia broadly as a removal of emphasis from the humanities. This is already where the university's at. Of the most recently graduated class of 763 ( link), I count 93 with degrees in the humanities. You can add five more in for economics, five for math, and around seven for religion if you're so inclined. There's also 61 psychology graduates if you want to shoehorn them in. At best, that's 15% excluding psychology and 22% including psychology who graduate with a degree in a field of the humanities from a liberal arts university. Meanwhile, 51% graduated with a degree in either nursing, business or a field allied with those. Based on that, I have to ask: Is La Salle really a liberal arts institution in 2018?Your analysis is flawed here. There are 3 schools and of that 763 number, the breakdown is as follows: School of Arts and Sciences - 371 (49%) School of Business - 214 (28%) School of Nursing and Health Services - 178 (23%) My chemistry degree was a BA from the school of Arts and Sciences - meaning I had a liberal arts and humanities core (enough so to get a history minor). La Salle isn't VA Tech or MIT where even as science major you get a BS and are taking majority technical classes. Yes, Virginia, La Salle really is a liberal arts institution in 2018, and the majority of the gradates hold liberal arts degrees with a core foundation in the humanities.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 20, 2018 10:02:29 GMT -5
If you had dreams of going to med school, you probably aren't targeting La Salle or La Salle's Latin program. This is BULLSHIT. La Salle has a very strong tradition for placing students in Medical, Dental and Veterinary Schools. The acceptance rate is close to 95% the last time I heard. I see many physicians around me at games. Shame that you are so uninformed about your University. On many occasions I have told the Administration we need to promote the Science Building and this acceptance rate. And I was a Business Major. Whoa, coming off a bit strong there. I'm not commenting on the University's history, and I've got friends that spent their college days in Holroyd and went on to be physicians too, but things are changing. In a world where each higher education institution is being forced to differentiate themselves from one another more than ever before, "come here so you can go to med school" probably just isn't the marketing line for La Salle, not anymore. I'd imagine that pool is very deep across the region already. Keeping around a Latin program for 5 students probably doesn't make sense, even though I suspect that had more to do with the University's religious roots than anything else.
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Post by brotherteliow on Apr 20, 2018 10:46:09 GMT -5
Posters here portray the school as producing ditch diggers and day laborers. My dentist, CPA and attorney went to the school and they live in Blue Bell. Enough said.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2018 10:59:52 GMT -5
Posters here portray the school as producing ditch diggers and day laborers. My dentist, CPA and attorney went to the school and they live in Blue Bell. Enough said. How old are they? We're also specifically talking about Doctors, not CPAs or Attorneys(of which i know two dozen recent grads that went down that path). Nuff said.
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Post by jellybean on Apr 20, 2018 11:47:51 GMT -5
A couple of replies.
We have plenty of grads in the Medical Professional as MD's and DDS's. Not just those mentioned in the Classes of the 50's through the 80's. They just didn't stop there. My kids each graduated with 3 and 5 friends who are either in Medical School or are now Doctors. They are in the 2010 and recent classes.
Second, yes my response was strong because it is a ridiculous statement (forget the Latin). La Salle is ranked in the top 10% nationally of schools preparing students to be Medical Professionals. That is exactly my point. We don't toot our horn enough or loudly enough.
As for the marketing pitch, I have two examples. One is a mother of a SJU FR I met last year who was thrilled her daughter got accepted to SJU (PA)'s Food Marketing Program. Why? Because SJU (PA) touts that program as 100% job placement after graduation.
Second, La Salle's Speech Therapy gets hundreds (400 in a recent year) of applicants for about 2-3 dozen spots. Why? Because La Salle touts 100% job placement. I think it's a freaking big deal that we can market to prospective students that we have an acceptance rate of 95% to Medical, Dental or Veterinary School.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2018 11:52:12 GMT -5
Second, La Salle's Speech Therapy gets hundreds (400 in a recent year) of applicants for about 2-3 dozen spots. Why? Because La Salle touts 100% job placement. Married a La Salle Speech girl. Cutthroat.
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Post by LaSallePal on Apr 20, 2018 12:19:55 GMT -5
This is already where the university's at. Of the most recently graduated class of 763 ( link), I count 93 with degrees in the humanities. You can add five more in for economics, five for math, and around seven for religion if you're so inclined. There's also 61 psychology graduates if you want to shoehorn them in. At best, that's 15% excluding psychology and 22% including psychology who graduate with a degree in a field of the humanities from a liberal arts university. Meanwhile, 51% graduated with a degree in either nursing, business or a field allied with those. Based on that, I have to ask: Is La Salle really a liberal arts institution in 2018?Your analysis is flawed here. There are 3 schools and of that 763 number, the breakdown is as follows: School of Arts and Sciences - 371 (49%) My chemistry degree was a BA from the school of Arts and Sciences - meaning I had a liberal arts and humanities core (enough so to get a history minor). Yes, Virginia, La Salle really is a liberal arts institution in 2018, and the majority of the gradates hold liberal arts degrees with a core foundation in the humanities. Sweet Jesus that's some dishonest math. Apparently you went through and added up everything in A&S as a major and called it humanities, even though humanities has a pretty standard definition, which I also added up and openly padded out with ambiguously humanities-inclusive fields. " The humanities use methods that are primarily critical, or speculative, and have a significant historical element—as distinguished from the mainly empirical approaches of the natural sciences, yet, unlike the sciences, it has no central discipline.The humanities include ancient and modern languages, literature, philosophy, geography, history, religion, art and musicology." Biology and chemistry aren't up there because they're not humanities fields, and so no, the majority of graduates in the Class of 2017 did not graduate with a liberal arts degree. Furthermore, if we're going to suggest that taking La Salle's core is what's anchoring its identity as a liberal arts institution, then the only thing holding back Temple or Penn State from being similarly labeled is class size. La Salle's core has no novel insight or unifying idea anymore that distinguishes it from the uninspired liberal arts core at any given state university. I think there's two courses in the core that you can't take anywhere but La Salle, and while I don't see a problem with that on its own the rest is just "take two history courses, take a language or art history sequence, take a math class" etc that you have to do at any university.
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Post by gymrat67 on Apr 20, 2018 12:33:01 GMT -5
Second, La Salle's Speech Therapy gets hundreds (400 in a recent year) of applicants for about 2-3 dozen spots. Why? Because La Salle touts 100% job placement. Married a La Salle Speech girl. Cutthroat. That's easy for you to say.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Apr 20, 2018 12:46:49 GMT -5
Married a La Salle Speech girl. Cutthroat. That's easy for you to say.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 20, 2018 13:25:33 GMT -5
Art Museum Sale proceeds +2.2M Sunshine Foods proceeds -5.4M Net Deficit -3.2MGood shit posting right here.
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Post by gymratlsc72 on Apr 20, 2018 13:51:33 GMT -5
Art Museum Sale proceeds +2.2M Sunshine Foods proceeds -5.4M Net Deficit -3.2MGood shit posting right here. Except it's not true! In addition to his jail sentence, Mr. Greb was ordered to pay full restitution and to turn over the NJ beach house he purchased with the proceeds of his fraud. Some combination of insurance payments, Greb's restitution payments and the value of the NJ beach property either erased this deficit or severely reduced it. I, for one, don't find any value or humor in such 'good shit postings.'
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Post by big5explorer on Apr 20, 2018 14:52:02 GMT -5
If you had dreams of going to med school, you probably aren't targeting La Salle or La Salle's Latin program. This flat out isn’t true. I’m a physician, and a 1992 graduate. I’m giesssing we have roughly 30-40 graduates from my year who are currently physicians. La Salle has always had a very strong reputation as a quality prepatory undgergraduate school for medical school and for the health professions. There are perhaps 10-15 undergrad schools in the tri-state area with a reputation for producing graduates who consistently do well in medical school, and La Salle is among the best of that group. The relationship between medical schools (especially in Pennsylvania) and La Salle has always been particularly strong. So much so that an official recommendation from the faculty board at La Salle virtually guarantees acceptance to a local medical school. Even with a marginal recommendation, graduates can become wildly successful in medicine. (One of my La Salle physician friends *runs* a department at Johns Hopkins.) That said, it is not surprising that you, or many graduates are unaware of the decades of sucess La Salle has had in educating some of the best and brightest future physicians. Because the school does an absolutely horrendous job at marketing their science success. And I am being kind in that criticism. The school has likely lost millions, if not tens of millions, of dollars of donations from deep pockets because they fail to connect with their science graduates in *any* meaningful way. Despite my emailing and calling to the alumni office through the years, asking to be put on a mailing list for anything science related, I still get nothing from them. While the science building was going up, nothing. No updates, no photos, and no requests for donations. Despite me asking to be updated. Annually, there is a Holroyd award given to a science-grad alum. I receive no notices of this, and no invite. My wife, who is a graduate of the Comm dept, and who has taught in the Comm department, receives regular updates (maybe twice yearly) with news about the Comm department. Can’t this be done for our science alumni? How about connecting current physicians with current undergraduates as mentors? Or a website listing alumni physicians by year, specialty, and current contact information, including email? (I worked for 10 years with a physician colleague, and only recently learned, almost by accident, that he too was a fellow alum.) It’s always been a head-scratcher to me as to why La Salle has neglected to keep the science graduates updated on the school of science. Why, to the best of my knowledge, physicians have not been asked to come and discuss their careers. Why our overwhelming and decades-long success of producing some of the best physicians in the country hasn’t been marketed — to prospective students, to the city, and even to our own alumni. I would put La Salle’s science and liberal arts education up against any school in the area when it comes to preparing new physicians. Penn and Nova included. We should be proud of that. The University should market it. And they should work to keep the health science alumni interested in the school, and hopefully donating back to it because they still feel connected. In my opinion, this has been one of the biggest failings of the University for decades. And it should be a relatively easy fix.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Apr 20, 2018 15:36:37 GMT -5
Good shit posting right here. Except it's not true! In addition to his jail sentence, Mr. Greb was ordered to pay full restitution and to turn over the NJ beach house he purchased with the proceeds of his fraud. Some combination of insurance payments, Greb's restitution payments and the value of the NJ beach property either erased this deficit or severely reduced it. I, for one, don't find any value or humor in such 'good shit postings.' La Salle sold the home in Avalon for only $1.9M in 2012. His personal residence sold for $590K in 2011. He paid back an additional $300K in cash. No idea on the insurance payments.
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Post by jellybean on Apr 20, 2018 16:20:48 GMT -5
If you had dreams of going to med school, you probably aren't targeting La Salle or La Salle's Latin program. This flat out isn’t true. I’m a physician, and a 1992 graduate. I’m giesssing we have roughly 30-40 graduates from my year who are currently physicians. La Salle has always had a very strong reputation as a quality prepatory undgergraduate school for medical school and for the health professions. There are perhaps 10-15 undergrad schools in the tri-state area with a reputation for producing graduates who consistently do well in medical school, and La Salle is among the best of that group. The relationship between medical schools (especially in Pennsylvania) and La Salle has always been particularly strong. So much so that an official recommendation from the faculty board at La Salle virtually guarantees acceptance to a local medical school. Even with a marginal recommendation, graduates can become wildly successful in medicine. (One of my La Salle physician friends *runs* a department at Johns Hopkins.) That said, it is not surprising that you, or many graduates are unaware of the decades of sucess La Salle has had in educating some of the best and brightest future physicians. Because the school does an absolutely horrendous job at marketing their science success. And I am being kind in that criticism. The school has likely lost millions, if not tens of millions, of dollars of donations from deep pockets because they fail to connect with their science graduates in *any* meaningful way. Despite my emailing and calling to the alumni office through the years, asking to be put on a mailing list for anything science related, I still get nothing from them. While the science building was going up, nothing. No updates, no photos, and no requests for donations. Despite me asking to be updated. Annually, there is a Holroyd award given to a science-grad alum. I receive no notices of this, and no invite. My wife, who is a graduate of the Comm dept, and who has taught in the Comm department, receives regular updates (maybe twice yearly) with news about the Comm department. Can’t this be done for our science alumni? How about connecting current physicians with current undergraduates as mentors? Or a website listing alumni physicians by year, specialty, and current contact information, including email? (I worked for 10 years with a physician colleague, and only recently learned, almost by accident, that he too was a fellow alum.) It’s always been a head-scratcher to me as to why La Salle has neglected to keep the science graduates updated on the school of science. Why, to the best of my knowledge, physicians have not been asked to come and discuss their careers. Why our overwhelming and decades-long success of producing some of the best physicians in the country hasn’t been marketed — to prospective students, to the city, and even to our own alumni. I would put La Salle’s science and liberal arts education up against any school in the area when it comes to preparing new physicians. Penn and Nova included. We should be proud of that. The University should market it. And they should work to keep the health science alumni interested in the school, and hopefully donating back to it because they still feel connected. In my opinion, this has been one of the biggest failings of the University for decades. And it should be a relatively easy fix. I guess that ends the debate. Believe me they are hearing this from me. I need others to start chirping. Enough chirps and you get action. I do know of at least three physicians who mentored students who were interested in the profession. They would also shadow them. The three students also happened to be athletes. Recent grads tell me that La Salle was a bargain compared to other local schools. I also have a nephew who is a doctor but went to another school in the City that will remain nameless. He got ZERO help from his counselors. They tired to steer him AWAY from the profession by telling him look at the competition he will face. He went to Jefferson in spite of them. He told me he wished that he had gone to La Salle (#2 choice) after listening to some of our grads who were in his classes. Thank you.
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Post by louth on Apr 20, 2018 16:47:06 GMT -5
big5explorer has nailed it regarding the biggest cause of the university’s self imposed problems: the school does nothing to promote the success of their graduates or their offerings. I just left a career in specialtymedical devices after 40 years of daily physician contact for North America. Our medical school graduates are respected respected in medical schools and hospitals across the country, with more physicians than our school knows as a result of profound ignorance and neglect and it is slowly changing, but needs to pick up the pace. The alumni department has been a disgrace in the past, and I can state this from personal experience..I was lost in the system for 13 years in their system. Too many complacent folks and an old boy-girl network. This is a partial reason why donations did not grow as they should have and who knows how much in potential lost donatios extrapolated over the last years. Complacency, incompetence, and humility have placed La Salle in it’s current state. The current administration is slowly turning the aircraft carrier around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 17:04:07 GMT -5
I don't understand this ridiculous double standard. There is so much on here denigrating our university and the art sale in particular. I talk about an ex con, and some people think I'm taking it too far.
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Post by durenduren on Apr 20, 2018 18:57:21 GMT -5
Good shit posting right here. Except it's not true! I, for one, don't find any value or humor in such 'good shit postings.' Ayeeee it was a joke, loosen up people! Have some fun!
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