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Post by lasalle89 on Mar 2, 2018 9:04:39 GMT -5
Arizona’s president publicly came out IN FULL SUPPORT of Miller. This is a risky move. He said he asked the tough questions and believes Miller is telling the truth. Did anyone catch the 30 for 30 about SMU? Their board, president, Athletic director we’re all in on the pay for play.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 2, 2018 9:21:47 GMT -5
Arizona’s president publicly came out IN FULL SUPPORT of Miller. This is a risky move. He said he asked the tough questions and believes Miller is telling the truth. Did anyone catch the 30 for 30 about SMU? Their board, president, Athletic director we’re all in on the pay for play. The Death Penalty hit SMU so hard, the NCAA is still reluctant to use it. IMO, they don't use it enough. The Death Penalty and fines are the only effective tools to keep everybody in line. Heavy ass fines. 5 million, 10 million, whatever cripples that said athletic department. But everybody is so soft, they couldn't even hold up Penn State's penalty. Penn State got that message loud and clear, when they weren't on TV for 2 years. You fight widespread cheating with an iron fist. Like MLB does with steroids today. Nobody gave a shit when the penalty was 10 games. Now it's 50 games, that gets players attentions. Nobody gives a shit about vacating wins or taking down banners. We all have memories.
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Post by MisterD on Mar 2, 2018 9:49:50 GMT -5
It would be insane to give Arizona the death penalty after repeatedly letting Baylor slide.
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Post by durenduren on Mar 2, 2018 10:02:21 GMT -5
But everybody is so soft, they couldn't even hold up Penn State's penalty. Penn State got that message loud and clear, when they weren't on TV for 2 years. You fight widespread cheating with an iron fist. Nobody gives a shit about vacating wins or taking down banners. We all have memories. And that's why we end up having these conversations every year, it seems, about some program that ran afoul. There's no penalties, and when they actually do fine or penalize programs, they end up back-tracking a year later. It's a joke, and the programs know they can do whatever they want - even when you vacate a national championship, you still won the national championship.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Mar 2, 2018 10:16:44 GMT -5
I have to call ESPN out in all of this while I'm on the war path. God help them if they got this Sean Miller report wrong.
Here we have the #2 outlet behind CBS in covering college basketball, and that's only because CBS has rights to March Madness. Since ESPN went away from the NHL after the 04-05 work stoppage, college basketball (and now the NBA) has been their Golden Goose.
This scandal is huge news. If this Miller recording holds true, it will be big news. Where ESPN goes and manufactures news is when they put LeBron's comments about the NCAA on their headlines. Yes, LeBron never took a dollar from any colleges, but he did trade autographs with Mitchell & Ness for throwback jerseys while at St. Vincent-St. Mary's. He did get a brand new Hummer H2 for his 18th birthday, while at St. Vincent-St Mary's.... He received plenty of benefits in high school, outside the realm of the NCAA.
Then ESPN has the Undefeated come out and blast the NCAA. Their own subsidy is blasting their Golden Goose that keeps Bristol afloat in times of cord cutting. The network that puts college football games on Tuesday nights, Wednesday nights, and Friday nights after the world series is over. Why? Because degenerates like myself will have rooting interest. ESPN is fighting the very thing it helped propel to the platform it is today. College Football and College Baseball ballooned to multi million dollar enterprises because of ESPN, CBS, NBC... Before TV got involved, it wasn't what it is now.
Sorry to ramble, but my point is this. If you want to pay college football players and men's basketball players, that's fine. What do you do when a feminist lawyer slaps a lawsuit against the NCAA or said schools for not paying female athletes in the name of Title IX? That will happen, and ESPNW will push the envelope just like they are now. Kate Fagan will be writing daily articles about it.
When guys like Steven Smith and Jermaine Thomas get their $10,000 stipend, what do you tell a Joe Fedorwicz? What do you tell Stash Graham? What do you tell Brian Oakes? What do you tell that swimmer that's busting his ass swimming laps every morning at the crack of dawn? Sorry kid, you picked the wrong sport. It's not going to hold water.
While is sucks that Saban makes a ton of money, and Jalen Hurts makes nothing, how many non revenue sports does Bama's football program fund? Probably the entire athletic department. They could probably afford to pay every athlete a decent stipend. What do you do with a Seton Hall, a St. Joe's?
Non revenue sports will fall. So guys like Joe, hoopsfan, all these good athletes, but not top notch, SEC/ACC type athletes, will be relegated to club sports. Reduced participation across the board. Scholarships and educational opportunities squashed.
Yes, this system we have is deeply flawed. Even if the one and done rule is repealed, and we go back to 2005 rules, widespread cheating will still occur. Wooden cheated, Rupp cheated, St. Joes shaved points, La Salle cheated!!!! Why? Because it's human nature. So go ahead and turn the current system and rules on their fucking head. Just know that there are going to be about 3 dozen unintended consequences that result from it.
ESPN, the company that was the catalyst in creating this system, the spring board that elevated this system exponentially, and now the company that eats off of this system, can condemn this system. That's having your cake and eating it too.
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Post by Gnocchi on Mar 4, 2018 0:17:18 GMT -5
I have to call ESPN out in all of this while I'm on the war path. God help them if they got this Sean Miller report wrong. If you want to pay college football players and men's basketball players, that's fine. What do you do when a feminist lawyer slaps a lawsuit against the NCAA or said schools for not paying female athletes in the name of Title IX? That will happen, and ESPNW will push the envelope just like they are now. Kate Fagan will be writing daily articles about it. Any thoughts on allowing college athletes to accept endorsements and outside employment? Bucks likely would flow only to the stars who generate the lion's share of revenues, college finances and non-revenue sports wouldn't be affected and Title IX issues would be out of the equation. Students with, say, a music scholarship can accept paying gigs. What makes that different from those on athletic scholarships?
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Post by crayzeeguy on Mar 28, 2018 13:37:45 GMT -5
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Post by LaSallePal on Apr 21, 2018 7:36:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 9:29:52 GMT -5
Well they are only thinking about it so far. Let's not give them credit for doing the right thing just yet. Haha
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Post by 23won on Apr 23, 2018 6:04:19 GMT -5
Well they are only thinking about it so far. Let's not give them credit for doing the right thing just yet. Haha It serves the interest of power 5 schools not us so it probably will happen
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Post by gymrat67 on Oct 21, 2018 12:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2019 6:52:24 GMT -5
Is this really any different than Penn taking money from a business to rename the Palestra? Former Penn basketball coach Jerome Allen testified during a federal criminal trial on Friday that he accepted roughly $300,000 in bribes from a Florida businessman to help get the man's son into the Ivy League school using a basketball priority slot.
Allen also testified that former Penn assistant Ira Bowman, who is currently on Auburn's coaching staff, had knowledge of the scheme and became involved after Allen was forced to resign as the Quakers' coach in March 2015.
Allen faces 10 years in prison, although he is expected to receive a much lighter sentence in exchange for his cooperation. He must repay the $18,000 in bribes and also pay a $200,000 fine.www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26234766/ex-penn-coach-allen-says-took-300k-bribe
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Mar 12, 2019 8:45:18 GMT -5
Jesus
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Post by MisterD on Mar 12, 2019 8:55:44 GMT -5
This is 100x worse than Will Wade's stuff.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2019 9:31:44 GMT -5
Only reason this was found out was because the guy was up on other fraud charges that had the feds looking at all his books. Makes me wonder if this happens at other Ivies where some families are flush with cash...or in other schools where maybe donors or trustee members can get family members put on the team as walk-ons.
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Post by 23won on Mar 12, 2019 10:20:31 GMT -5
If this happens at Allen's program where Penn made no tourney money just imagine what it is like at programs that aggressively chase tourney money … like Auburn. Bruce Pearl and Bowman, perfect together.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2019 11:08:00 GMT -5
and now this.... Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin among dozens charged in alleged college cheating scamActresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are among dozens of parents, sports coaches and college prep executives accused of carrying out a national conspiracy to get students into prestigious colleges, according to a massive federal indictment.
The purpose of the alleged scam was to help student athletes get into college as recruited athletes, regardless of their athletic ability, according to the indictment. It alleges that a third party took the ACT and SAT college entrance exams in place of students. The documents also allege that some defendants created fake athletic profiles for students to make them appear to be successful athletes and get them into college.
Athletic coaches from Yale, Stanford, USC, Wake Forest and Georgetown, among others, are implicated as well as parents and exam administrators, federal prosecutors said.
As laid out in the indictment, Singer allegedly paid college coaches to claim that a prospective student should be accepted to college because the student was a recruit for their sports team. However, Singer and the coaches knew that the student was not a competitive player and that his or her athletic profile was fake, the indictment said.www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admission-cheating-scheme/index.html
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 12, 2019 13:53:14 GMT -5
Turns out Jerome Allen was a crappy negotiator.... In one case highlighted by federal prosecutors, the head women’s soccer coach at Yale University was paid $400,000 to accept a student even though the applicant did not play soccer.
The documents say Loughlin -- best known for her role as Aunt Becky on the ABC sitcom "Full House" -- and her husband, fashion designer Mossimo Giannulli, "agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team -- despite the fact that they did not participate in crew -- thereby facilitating their admission to USC."abcnews.go.com/US/hollywood-actors-ceos-charged-nationwide-college-admissions-cheating/story?id=61627873
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Post by las71 on Mar 12, 2019 15:02:13 GMT -5
It's interesting that Wade and Self and other coaches are never outed by coaches. Agents, shoe companies and in this case lawyers are the ones exposing these coaches. Where are the coaches who talk about the integrity of the game. Where is the NCAA. Could it be that they don't say anything because they also might be offering illegal benefits? The hypocrisy is incredible.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 12, 2019 21:52:54 GMT -5
The corruption charges are insane and hilarious. There are about 10-15 schools in the country where I would think a six figure bribe makes sense. You don't even need to have a degree from an Ivy or Stanford or MIT or Duke to get your foot in the door at any huge investment firm/set up a meeting with a VC for your new app/etc.
But some of the schools on here? Like, yeah, they're great schools. I certainly couldn't get into any of them out of high school. But why is anyone spending an extra $500K to alter junior's SAT score to go to UCLA/USC/Wake/Georgetown/etc.? Couldn't you just send your kid to some school that's more Top 150 in the country as opposed to Top 50?
How is this a big deal to friggin' anyone? "Man, Loretta's daughter has to go to Loyola-Marymount because she was wait-listed at USC" (Rich friend drops champagne glass in shock.)
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Mar 13, 2019 7:37:12 GMT -5
But some of the schools on here? Like, yeah, they're great schools. I certainly couldn't get into any of them out of high school. But why is anyone spending an extra $500K to alter junior's SAT score to go to UCLA/USC/Wake/Georgetown/etc.? Couldn't you just send your kid to some school that's more Top 150 in the country as opposed to Top 50? How is this a big deal to friggin' anyone? In some of the circles these people run in, it matters. I saw it with my son at a good prep school and the way some of the parents spoke and acted about where their kids were going to college and playing the compare game. The sticker on the back of he windshield matters to some people more than others I guess. I never got caught up in that, but I remember a parent in 7th grade talking about the kid needing to take freshman algebra as an 8th grader so he could take AP Calc 2 as a senior and be best positioned for Harvard Med School....in 7th grade. I looked at the mom and said something like, "What if he doesn't want to go to medical school when he is older?"...and it was like I had just suggested the world was flat. (The kid is now a business major at Northeastern...coincidentally they are dancing in NCAAs). The fake SAT thing is weird...I was less shocked by the bribing of a coach to get a kid on a preferred applicant list than I was by that. I'm guessing this is the tip of the iceberg and more will emerge.
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Post by las71 on Mar 13, 2019 8:26:15 GMT -5
Coqui and Glitter. It is amazing what people will do to get their kids in the "right" school. What I find interesting and Glitter alluded to it is that's it's not about the kid's wants and needs, it's about the parents. Whatever happened to finding something you want to do and do it well. I know that's a pipe dream for most of us but we have to stop defining success by how much money you have. It's getting ugly out there. Since this is a basketball message board let me add a go 'splorers.
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Post by coqui900 on Mar 13, 2019 11:45:46 GMT -5
I was split between a few honors and regular classes in high school. The amount of cheating in the honors/AP classes was insane. And a lot of the teachers were fine with it because "good kids getting good grades and a 4 or a 5 on the AP exam" made them look really good. It was so friggin' awful. I may have gotten C's but I was fine with that.
I am so glad I went to a normal person college.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Mar 13, 2019 14:30:01 GMT -5
I am so glad I went to a normal person college. This Board not withstanding.....
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Apr 8, 2019 8:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by calsufan on Apr 8, 2019 20:26:02 GMT -5
It wouldn't be a shocker if they did. If Adidas did it, it's more likely than not the other shoe companies did as well.
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Post by blueandgold on Apr 25, 2019 16:51:43 GMT -5
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 1, 2019 14:01:05 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on May 1, 2019 14:12:51 GMT -5
Given Sean Miller making 1/3 of a million per month and the program's $20MM annual profit, "that's all?" seems about right.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 1, 2019 15:17:44 GMT -5
Given Sean Miller making 1/3 of a million per month and the program's $20MM annual profit, "that's all?" seems about right. wasnt Jalen’s point there Bilas.
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