MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Feb 17, 2018 18:26:48 GMT -5
If you're looking for a serious answer, *some* of those kids are fully capable but have never before been in anything resembling a decent school environment with real academic support.
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Post by explorerman on Feb 23, 2018 7:52:54 GMT -5
Welp might as well bump this one... It going to be here for sometime.. with the new FBI documents being released..
Going to be a rough time on the Main Line..
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 23, 2018 8:25:59 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 23, 2018 8:54:44 GMT -5
Kentucky is reportedly on the list?!?!?!
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on Feb 23, 2018 9:06:05 GMT -5
"Villanova Coaches" could be the greatest misc expense detail in accounting history.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 23, 2018 9:31:01 GMT -5
Shaka should've stayed at VCU
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 23, 2018 9:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 23, 2018 9:40:47 GMT -5
Markelle Fultz received 10 G's... Won 9 games at Washington. Becomes a multi millionaire, suddenly can't shoot a basketball, plays 4 games for the Sixers... Not bad work if you can't get it.
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Post by coqui900 on Feb 23, 2018 9:42:22 GMT -5
So is Lavoy Allen for $600.
These files are going to result in nothing. All of the coaches have plausible deniability. It's from agents trying to hook future NBA players. There will be probations and maybe a loss of scholarship. UNC didn't even get pinched for their pretty clear flaunting of academic rules. What the hell did Louisville really get for strippers helping on recruiting visits besides the "vacating of a title" which really means squat?
This could be the tip of the iceberg. If this agency decides to roll and a few players named break the omerta code of college basketball, than maybe something else shakes.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Feb 23, 2018 9:43:20 GMT -5
Fred Van Vleet on the list... if Wichita State gets in trouble, can we update our banner read Elite Eight*, asterisk included.
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Post by coqui900 on Feb 23, 2018 9:46:36 GMT -5
Markelle Fultz received 10 G's... Won 9 games at Washington. Becomes a multi millionaire, suddenly can't shoot a basketball, plays 4 games for the Sixers... Not bad work if you can't get it. If he signed with that agency it's worth it for them. They got a good cut on his contract plus whatever endorsements he managed to grab.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 23, 2018 9:52:31 GMT -5
So is Lavoy Allen for $600. These files are going to result in nothing. All of the coaches have plausible deniability. It's from agents trying to hook future NBA players. There will be probations and maybe a loss of scholarship. UNC didn't even get pinched for their pretty clear flaunting of academic rules. What the hell did Louisville really get for strippers helping on recruiting visits besides the "vacating of a title" which really means squat? This could be the tip of the iceberg. If this agency decides to roll and a few players named break the omerta code of college basketball, than maybe something else shakes. I agree coqui. In defense of Lavoy, what the hell is $600? Not worth mentioning. If the NCAA wants to send a message, hammer Louisville with a $10 million fine. Cripple their athletic department for a few years. Place coaches on a show cause for 5 years. Make the consequences of so severe that it is not worth it to cheat. But taking down banners is bullshit. Everyone knows Memphis was a finalist in 2008. Everyone knows the Fab 5 made the Final Four in 92 and 93. Everyone knows UMass was a Final Four team in 96. Louisville won the National Championship in 2013. Strippers and Hookers in a dorm room doesn't change that. Banners don't change that that. Monetary punishments. That will change it.
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Post by crayzeeguy on Feb 23, 2018 9:55:57 GMT -5
The NCAA had their chance to address things with the North Carolina case, and instead walked away from the evidence. IMHO, that was a bigger deal than this.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 23, 2018 10:00:16 GMT -5
Fred Van Vleet on the list... if Wichita State gets in trouble, can we update our banner read Elite Eight*, asterisk included. Think bigger. Since Wichita State lost to Louisville in the Final Four, we could technical put National Champion* on our banner.
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Post by blueandgold on Feb 23, 2018 10:02:50 GMT -5
Chaz Williams - "Bad Loan" - $3,600
Shot 27% in six games in the D League in 2014-2015 (http://gleague.nba.com/player/chaz-williams/). Currently in Tyrone Garland's woods in Iceland.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 23, 2018 10:03:07 GMT -5
Fred Van Vleet on the list... if Wichita State gets in trouble, can we update our banner read Elite Eight*, asterisk included. Comma perfect season
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Post by crayzeeguy on Feb 23, 2018 10:14:43 GMT -5
Fred Van Vleet on the list... if Wichita State gets in trouble, can we update our banner read Elite Eight*, asterisk included. Think bigger. Since Wichita State lost to Louisville in the Final Four, we could technical put National Champion* on our banner. We need to work to dig up something on Ohio State... shouldn't be too hard.
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Post by durenduren on Feb 23, 2018 10:16:46 GMT -5
Fred Van Vleet on the list... if Wichita State gets in trouble, can we update our banner read Elite Eight*, asterisk included. Comma perfect season At this rate, we might be national champions in two weeks.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 23, 2018 10:19:42 GMT -5
At this rate, we might be national champions in two weeks. I'm sure bonus checks are in order.
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Post by coqui900 on Feb 23, 2018 11:14:03 GMT -5
Just thinking about this... an FBI investigation is a lot crazier than a NCAA investigation. Indictments and coaches getting deposed before a grand jury is actual teeth.
The NCAA, as we know, is garbage. Baylor University allowed a grotesque culture of rampant sexual assault among its football team to develop. Somehow, that's not be the worst scandal of the school's athletic department of the past 20 years considering Dave Bliss tried to cover up a friggin' murder. How the hell is that school allowed to have sports? I know Ken Lay was forced out after the rape scandal but still. How does that school justify having D1 sports?
What even were the penalties against Penn State?
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Post by crayzeeguy on Feb 23, 2018 11:22:43 GMT -5
At this rate, we might be national champions in two weeks. I'm sure bonus checks are in order. What does this do to our tournament allotment money and our ability to pay our/a coach... j/k... maybe
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on Feb 23, 2018 11:34:24 GMT -5
Just thinking about this... an FBI investigation is a lot crazier than a NCAA investigation. Indictments and coaches getting deposed before a grand jury is actual teeth. The NCAA, as we know, is garbage. Baylor University allowed a grotesque culture of rampant sexual assault among its football team to develop. Somehow, that's not be the worst scandal of the school's athletic department of the past 20 years considering Dave Bliss tried to cover up a friggin' murder. How the hell is that school allowed to have sports? I know Ken Lay was forced out after the rape scandal but still. How does that school justify having D1 sports? What even were the penalties against Penn State? Absolutely. This carries sanctions that will be more than a slap on the wrist. People will sing like canaries to avoid broader charges against them. Circling the wagons dealing the NCAA behind closed doors is a lot different than federal charges. This seems to be the tip of the iceberg on a much larger case the feds are making and carefully building over time, and I'm guessing the fallout from this will be major (just hopefully not mid-major).
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Post by durenduren on Feb 23, 2018 13:09:28 GMT -5
I think Deadspin said this, but it's funny that given that the NCAA can’t and doesn’t want to police its own rules in its own house, the feds have decided to jump in and take charge.
I mean, I'm all for it because I'm one of those "watch the world burn" types, especially because it's not my world -- just patiently waiting to see who gets caught up in the drag net...
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Post by las71 on Feb 23, 2018 16:56:54 GMT -5
The downside of this may be this is the perfect excuse for the power 5 conferences to end their affiliation with the NCAA. Even if there are prosecutions, the schools will remain in existence, the big money will still be there and now they can openly change the rules to a free market in signing players. The NCAA never goes after the big boys because they are afraid of losing the power 5 teams but if the feds follow through, why do the power 5 conferences have any need for the NCAA. To some extent the NCAA ignored the rules violations by the big programs which made it easier for the FBI to step in. Had the NCAA been a little stricter in enforcing the rules maybe we wouldn't have gotten to this point. Now the college presidents can openly question the value of remaining in the NCAA since it was clearly not living up to it's mandate in enforcing rules. It would be cynical on the presidents' part to use this but hey its always been more about the money than about cleanly run programs that benefit student-athletes.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 23, 2018 17:24:25 GMT -5
So is Lavoy Allen for $600. These files are going to result in nothing. All of the coaches have plausible deniability. It's from agents trying to hook future NBA players. There will be probations and maybe a loss of scholarship. UNC didn't even get pinched for their pretty clear flaunting of academic rules. What the hell did Louisville really get for strippers helping on recruiting visits besides the "vacating of a title" which really means squat? This could be the tip of the iceberg. If this agency decides to roll and a few players named break the omerta code of college basketball, than maybe something else shakes. I agree coqui. In defense of Lavoy, what the hell is $600? Not worth mentioning. If the NCAA wants to send a message, hammer Louisville with a $10 million fine. Cripple their athletic department for a few years. Place coaches on a show cause for 5 years. Make the consequences of so severe that it is not worth it to cheat. But taking down banners is bullshit. Everyone knows Memphis was a finalist in 2008. Everyone knows the Fab 5 made the Final Four in 92 and 93. Everyone knows UMass was a Final Four team in 96. Louisville won the National Championship in 2013. Strippers and Hookers in a dorm room doesn't change that. Banners don't change that that. Monetary punishments. That will change it. Loon, it's not your $10 mill fine, but Louisville did have to give back like 4 or 5 years worth of their NCAA unit money.
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Post by belfieldhappyhour on Feb 23, 2018 17:28:30 GMT -5
Just thinking about this... an FBI investigation is a lot crazier than a NCAA investigation. Indictments and coaches getting deposed before a grand jury is actual teeth. The NCAA, as we know, is garbage. Baylor University allowed a grotesque culture of rampant sexual assault among its football team to develop. Somehow, that's not be the worst scandal of the school's athletic department of the past 20 years considering Dave Bliss tried to cover up a friggin' murder. How the hell is that school allowed to have sports? I know Ken Lay was forced out after the rape scandal but still. How does that school justify having D1 sports? What even were the penalties against Penn State? Coq, this is from an ESPN story about the penalties being reduced. This is the kind of penalty Lunatic was talking about ... The NCAA said Tuesday that it will reduce the unprecedented sanctions against Penn State's football program by gradually restoring scholarships starting next season. Officials did not rule out future modifications, such as reducing the four-year postseason ban. The announcement comes 14 months after NCAA president Mark Emmert levied the historic penalties in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. Penn State had faced a cap of 65 scholarships starting in 2014, but instead will have 75 scholarships in 2014, 80 in 2015 and the full allotment of 85 in 2016. "The executive committee's decision to restore football scholarship opportunities for more student-athletes at Penn State is an important recognition of the university's progress -- and one I know it was pleased to make," Emmert said. The scholarship reduction was widely believed to be the most significant sanction. Penn State vacated wins from 1998 to 2011, was hit with a $60 million fine, and banned from the postseason from 2012 to 2015. Coach Bill O'Brien and his staff could sign no more than 15 recruits for four years starting in 2012. As a result of the reduction, he now can sign 20 in 2014-15 and 25 the season after. Source - www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matter
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Post by weston2 on Feb 23, 2018 20:16:56 GMT -5
Just thinking about this... an FBI investigation is a lot crazier than a NCAA investigation. Indictments and coaches getting deposed before a grand jury is actual teeth. The NCAA, as we know, is garbage. Baylor University allowed a grotesque culture of rampant sexual assault among its football team to develop. Somehow, that's not be the worst scandal of the school's athletic department of the past 20 years considering Dave Bliss tried to cover up a friggin' murder. How the hell is that school allowed to have sports? I know Ken Lay was forced out after the rape scandal but still. How does that school justify having D1 sports? What even were the penalties against Penn State? Coq, this is from an ESPN story about the penalties being reduced. This is the kind of penalty Lunatic was talking about ... The NCAA said Tuesday that it will reduce the unprecedented sanctions against Penn State's football program by gradually restoring scholarships starting next season. Officials did not rule out future modifications, such as reducing the four-year postseason ban. The announcement comes 14 months after NCAA president Mark Emmert levied the historic penalties in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. Penn State had faced a cap of 65 scholarships starting in 2014, but instead will have 75 scholarships in 2014, 80 in 2015 and the full allotment of 85 in 2016. "The executive committee's decision to restore football scholarship opportunities for more student-athletes at Penn State is an important recognition of the university's progress -- and one I know it was pleased to make," Emmert said. The scholarship reduction was widely believed to be the most significant sanction. Penn State vacated wins from 1998 to 2011, was hit with a $60 million fine, and banned from the postseason from 2012 to 2015. Coach Bill O'Brien and his staff could sign no more than 15 recruits for four years starting in 2012. As a result of the reduction, he now can sign 20 in 2014-15 and 25 the season after. Source - www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matterNCAA had no basis, other than media hyping, to legislate against PSU. Nothing to do with putting an athletic team on the field. UNC certainly did. Violated even more than just eligibility but the whole educational accreditation. The NCAA is just a front for the colleges to make it appear they are concerned with cheating. They all do it.
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Post by calsufan on Feb 23, 2018 21:20:02 GMT -5
Coq, this is from an ESPN story about the penalties being reduced. This is the kind of penalty Lunatic was talking about ... The NCAA said Tuesday that it will reduce the unprecedented sanctions against Penn State's football program by gradually restoring scholarships starting next season. Officials did not rule out future modifications, such as reducing the four-year postseason ban. The announcement comes 14 months after NCAA president Mark Emmert levied the historic penalties in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. Penn State had faced a cap of 65 scholarships starting in 2014, but instead will have 75 scholarships in 2014, 80 in 2015 and the full allotment of 85 in 2016. "The executive committee's decision to restore football scholarship opportunities for more student-athletes at Penn State is an important recognition of the university's progress -- and one I know it was pleased to make," Emmert said. The scholarship reduction was widely believed to be the most significant sanction. Penn State vacated wins from 1998 to 2011, was hit with a $60 million fine, and banned from the postseason from 2012 to 2015. Coach Bill O'Brien and his staff could sign no more than 15 recruits for four years starting in 2012. As a result of the reduction, he now can sign 20 in 2014-15 and 25 the season after. Source - www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matterNCAA had no basis, other than media hyping, to legislate against PSU. Nothing to do with putting an athletic team on the field. UNC certainly did. Violated even more than just eligibility but the whole educational accreditation. The NCAA is just a front for the colleges to make it appear they are concerned with cheating. They all do it. Just curious if you're a big PSU football / Joe Pa fan?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 23, 2018 21:52:03 GMT -5
Coq, this is from an ESPN story about the penalties being reduced. This is the kind of penalty Lunatic was talking about ... The NCAA said Tuesday that it will reduce the unprecedented sanctions against Penn State's football program by gradually restoring scholarships starting next season. Officials did not rule out future modifications, such as reducing the four-year postseason ban. The announcement comes 14 months after NCAA president Mark Emmert levied the historic penalties in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. Penn State had faced a cap of 65 scholarships starting in 2014, but instead will have 75 scholarships in 2014, 80 in 2015 and the full allotment of 85 in 2016. "The executive committee's decision to restore football scholarship opportunities for more student-athletes at Penn State is an important recognition of the university's progress -- and one I know it was pleased to make," Emmert said. The scholarship reduction was widely believed to be the most significant sanction. Penn State vacated wins from 1998 to 2011, was hit with a $60 million fine, and banned from the postseason from 2012 to 2015. Coach Bill O'Brien and his staff could sign no more than 15 recruits for four years starting in 2012. As a result of the reduction, he now can sign 20 in 2014-15 and 25 the season after. Source - www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9716482/ncaa-reduce-penalties-penn-state-regarding-jerry-sandusky-child-sexual-abuse-matterNCAA had no basis, other than media hyping, to legislate against PSU. Nothing to do with putting an athletic team on the field. UNC certainly did. Violated even more than just eligibility but the whole educational accreditation. The NCAA is just a front for the colleges to make it appear they are concerned with cheating. They all do it. JoePa knowing that Sandusky raped boys in the shower didn't have anything to do with a football team?
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Feb 23, 2018 22:20:22 GMT -5
Sean Miller caught on tape talking with an agent about paying a recruit $100,000... Hot water
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