Do You Trust The Process?

[glorydays]

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[coqui900]

Hinkie-ites are the worst.

I was on board with Hinkie's concept at first. But man, the Sixers became such a waste of everyone's time, for the most part.

1) Getting as many draft picks as possible makes absolute sense. Hinkie really did grab a lot of those. Hats off to him.

2) But you have to turn those picks into actual basketball talent from them to mean anything. His drafting record is really not-so-hot. Michael Carter-Williams is just about out of the league (and picked before Giannis). Nerlens Noel is a backup center on a middling Mavs team and nothing special. He drafted Okafor before Porzingis (despite being at the supposed vanguard of the modern NBA which makes Jah a pretty worthless player). His one big draft hit was Embiid... who has averaged 10 games per year in his three seasons of NBA play/couldn't handle even half of a season with the most kid-glove minutes/couldn't finish his one season at Kansas.

Dario was a nice pick. Of course, we didn't see him for a few years. But he's still a nice pick.

3) Hinkie-ites will go on and on about the Kings trade. And, yes, that was a one-sided trade. But hoodwinking Vlade Divac isn't exactly the biggest bragging point.

4) He made two okay "finds" off the scrap-heap in Robert Covington and TJ McConnell. RoCo is a really great defender but he lost his shot. TJ's a perfectly acceptable 8th/9th guy on a roster. Again, not exactly anything to brag about.

5) People are acting like the Sixers won the title. It's great they managed to grab the first pick. I'm excited and hope Fultz is as good as advertised. But they now have a Core Four of a guy whose team won 9 games, one guy who sat out a year, another guy who sat out two years and only lasted 30 the next season and Dario.

Like... why are people acting like this is the team to dethrone LeBron? Getting to the playoffs in the NBA is hard. Then working your way up to the NBA Finals is even harder. Doing it without one of the five best players in basketball is next to impossible. I don't think they have one of those guys.

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I was on board, and I still mostly am. However, I hate the branding, and I don't trust Coangelo at the helm. It also likely dragged on far longer than it needed to. I also don't understand all the hype behind the guy the 76ers traded to get the pick for... as a normal human being, I find it hard to get hyped for the best player on a team that went 9-22. Seems like Anthony Bennett all over again.

I also find it real hard to get excited about pro sports at all lately, considering everyone's been kind of a piece of shit. Comcast owns the Flyers, the 76ers are owned by a hedge fund guy who moved principal operations to New Jersey, and the Eagles' owner is an insufferable dollar store Robert Kraft.

[MisterD]

Hinkie's genius begins and ends with getting an ownership group to agree to really really bottom out. That's absolutely smart in terms of a 10 year view. BUT ... my god was his drafting bad. He was basically on auto-pick, make your list, take BPA, ignore fit even if it means you've taken a half dozen 6'10+ interior players who can play maybe three at a time at best. The essay he wrote at the end makes that even better since he mentions how he totally knew this was turning into a run-and-gun, outside shooting league.

Jun 20, 2017 23:20:07 GMT -5 coqui900 said:

Dario was a nice pick. Of course, we didn't see him for a few years. But he's still a nice pick.

If you want to have some fun with a numbers-savvy Hinkie fan, especially one who trashed Carter-Williams, get them to explain how Saric is actually a very great pick despite his horrific advanced stats.

[explorer88]

Totally on-board with the Process. That is all you can do in the NBA to get out of 8th seed hell. Hinkie made mistakes as GM but his thought process was 100% accurate and needed. Compare 5 years ago to now. No hope 5 years ago and major hope exists now. Slam dunk successful for me.

[MisterD]

Does everyone, both pro- and anti- Hinkie, agree that there's no way he would have made this trade? Fultz could be great, but there's just no way the accumulator would cash in at above market rates at this stage.

[explorer88]

Jun 21, 2017 9:10:44 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Does everyone, both pro- and anti- Hinkie, agree that there's no way he would have made this trade? Fultz could be great, but there's just no way the accumulator would cash in at above market rates at this stage.

I don't know. Apparently when he was let go he indicated last year was the point to move forward and try to begin improving on the court. I truly don't know the answer. My guess is that he is much better at tearing down and picking pockets of other GM's than he is of evaluating talent. The only tangible thing you can look at right now is the Sixers are in much better shape now than when he took over. So the process worked for me as a fan. We need Colangelo to push it over the top to deem it successful for others that don't like what Hinke did.

[coqui900]

Jun 21, 2017 8:17:39 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Hinkie's genius begins and ends with getting an ownership group to agree to really really bottom out. That's absolutely smart in terms of a 10 year view. BUT ... my god was his drafting bad. He was basically on auto-pick, make your list, take BPA, ignore fit even if it means you've taken a half dozen 6'10+ interior players who can play maybe three at a time at best. The essay he wrote at the end makes that even better since he mentions how he totally knew this was turning into a run-and-gun, outside shooting league.

Jun 20, 2017 23:20:07 GMT -5 coqui900 said:

Dario was a nice pick. Of course, we didn't see him for a few years. But he's still a nice pick.

If you want to have some fun with a numbers-savvy Hinkie fan, especially one who trashed Carter-Williams, get them to explain how Saric is actually a very great pick despite his horrific advanced stats.

I actually had no idea his advanced stats are brutal.

Another check against Hinkie: Okafor and Nerlens were for a decent stretch of time the worst on-court pairing in +/- in league history. What a great fit!

[explorer88]

Jun 21, 2017 10:58:42 GMT -5 coqui900 said:

Jun 21, 2017 8:17:39 GMT -5 MisterD said:

Hinkie's genius begins and ends with getting an ownership group to agree to really really bottom out. That's absolutely smart in terms of a 10 year view. BUT ... my god was his drafting bad. He was basically on auto-pick, make your list, take BPA, ignore fit even if it means you've taken a half dozen 6'10+ interior players who can play maybe three at a time at best. The essay he wrote at the end makes that even better since he mentions how he totally knew this was turning into a run-and-gun, outside shooting league.

If you want to have some fun with a numbers-savvy Hinkie fan, especially one who trashed Carter-Williams, get them to explain how Saric is actually a very great pick despite his horrific advanced stats.

I actually had no idea his advanced stats are brutal.

Another check against Hinkie: Okafor and Nerlens were for a decent stretch of time the worst on-court pairing in +/- in league history. What a great fit!

I am quite Sure Hinkie had visions of flipping one or both for assets. I don't think he was going to keep both.

[glorydays]

Jun 20, 2017 23:20:07 GMT -5 coqui900 said:

Hinkie-ites are the worst.

I was on board with Hinkie's concept at first. But man, the Sixers became such a waste of everyone's time, for the most part.

1) Getting as many draft picks as possible makes absolute sense. Hinkie really did grab a lot of those. Hats off to him.

2) But you have to turn those picks into actual basketball talent from them to mean anything. His drafting record is really not-so-hot. Michael Carter-Williams is just about out of the league (and picked before Giannis). Nerlens Noel is a backup center on a middling Mavs team and nothing special. He drafted Okafor before Porzingis (despite being at the supposed vanguard of the modern NBA which makes Jah a pretty worthless player). His one big draft hit was Embiid... who has averaged 10 games per year in his three seasons of NBA play/couldn't handle even half of a season with the most kid-glove minutes/couldn't finish his one season at Kansas.

Dario was a nice pick. Of course, we didn't see him for a few years. But he's still a nice pick.

3) Hinkie-ites will go on and on about the Kings trade. And, yes, that was a one-sided trade. But hoodwinking Vlade Divac isn't exactly the biggest bragging point.

4) He made two okay "finds" off the scrap-heap in Robert Covington and TJ McConnell. RoCo is a really great defender but he lost his shot. TJ's a perfectly acceptable 8th/9th guy on a roster. Again, not exactly anything to brag about.

5) People are acting like the Sixers won the title. It's great they managed to grab the first pick. I'm excited and hope Fultz is as good as advertised. But they now have a Core Four of a guy whose team won 9 games, one guy who sat out a year, another guy who sat out two years and only lasted 30 the next season and Dario.

Like... why are people acting like this is the team to dethrone LeBron? Getting to the playoffs in the NBA is hard. Then working your way up to the NBA Finals is even harder. Doing it without one of the five best players in basketball is next to impossible. I don't think they have one of those guys.

Nice Piece of Analysis.

[glorydays]

The Sixers did get my attention with that 10-5 January. Once Embiiid went out they weren't of much interest.

I am looking forward to the Sixers this year but wonder about the injury prone core. Even Fultz missed 8 games last year with a knee issue. I will watch the NBA Summer League to get a look at Fultz .