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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 11, 2017 21:25:47 GMT -5
Coming back to the game day experience, why can't we get something going pregame with food trucks or some heated tents out front with food at least on Saturdays? I wanted to grab lunch pregame and there was really nothing available or promoted. If you go with food trucks, it costs you nothing. The food trucks won't just show up. It has to be in their best interest. But I agree. And have suggested just this. There should be a consistent event atmosphere (with beer) for every home game. Make the game a 4 hour event, not a 90m one. A lot of people would pay $25-30 if there was a sandwich and a couple beers in it for them. |
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Post by SICguy84 on Feb 11, 2017 21:32:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't put much stock in the comments on philly.com. Unbalanced masses post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 21:50:42 GMT -5
Wheeling back around to the campus for a moment, this popped up as a comment on Inky's story about the Richmond game: Here's the thing: At least half of that is bullshit. In the federally mandated crime reporting statistics, La Salle's campus is as safe as Villanova's. Next year it will probably be statistically safer, since no one's been arrested for dealing LSD at La Salle. Twice. This is what La Salle's up against. The previous administration was happy to just print those numbers and call it good, but the fact that this is still the conversation - La Salle! North Philadelphia! Crime! - is indicative of where the university is at in the public consciousness. As it relates to the physical campus, this is what I was broadly referring to. Building everything down to a price means that everyone's opinion follows accordingly. I get your point, but you have to remember, if you're standing at 20th and Olney and get robbed, technically you're not on school property. It's a city sidewalk, so that doesn't go in La Salle's crime stats. A guy got shot six times on 19th street last night, on the block just off Olney, and that wasn't 'on campus' either, so it doesn't count on the schools crime stats. My point being, some of those crime stats are skewed in favor of La Salle being safe. The university can fudge statistics through intellectual dishonesty and plausible deniability, but consider how the Department of Education defines the area beyond the campus as it relates to crime reporting statistics: "All public property, including thoroughfares, streets, sidewalks, and parking facilities, that is within the campus, or immediately adjacent to and accessible from the campus." My only real point there is that the campus proper is as safe as any campus in America, but people conflate La Salle's campus with La Salle's neighborhood. Temple, Drexel and Penn all suffer much more on campus from their surrounding environs, but La Salle by far gets the most shit for it. That is, when La Salle is brought up at all. |
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Post by jellybean on Feb 12, 2017 9:33:14 GMT -5
I want to thank lunatic for being the only poster to give concrete answers to my comments on location, size and funding (even though I disagree with some of them). The silence is deafening. The problem with the Arena is ALUMNI FUNDING. We don't have a weigh loss mogul currently stepping up and donating $40 million. We don't have 40 alums willing to step up with a million. Again WE ARE THE PROBLEM.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 12, 2017 9:34:14 GMT -5
I get your point, but you have to remember, if you're standing at 20th and Olney and get robbed, technically you're not on school property. It's a city sidewalk, so that doesn't go in La Salle's crime stats. A guy got shot six times on 19th street last night, on the block just off Olney, and that wasn't 'on campus' either, so it doesn't count on the schools crime stats. My point being, some of those crime stats are skewed in favor of La Salle being safe. The university can fudge statistics through intellectual dishonesty and plausible deniability, but consider how the Department of Education defines the area beyond the campus as it relates to crime reporting statistics: "All public property, including thoroughfares, streets, sidewalks, and parking facilities, that is within the campus, or immediately adjacent to and accessible from the campus." My only real point there is that the campus proper is as safe as any campus in America, but people conflate La Salle's campus with La Salle's neighborhood. Temple, Drexel and Penn all suffer much more on campus from their surrounding environs, but La Salle by far gets the most shit for it. That is, when La Salle is brought up at all. To your point, three posters on the Richmond board in the game preview said the "lock and load" before visiting our campus. |
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Feb 12, 2017 16:42:44 GMT -5
The problem with the Arena is ALUMNI FUNDING. We don't have a weigh loss mogul currently stepping up and donating $40 million. We don't have 40 alums willing to step up with a million. Again WE ARE THE PROBLEM. I agree for the most part. Last year, in response to Steve Degnan's gift, I joined this board and attempted to galvanize it to collectively match Steve's donation with five-year pledges. When I called Kale and made a pledge, I was the first. As far as I know, no one joined me but I never followed up with Kale. And I agree with your opinion that alumni are the problem in that our overall donation rate to the university is about 20%, which is very disappointing. Maybe it's been higher since the new administration took over, but the ongoing absence of an annual President's Report (which is different from an online list of donors) keeps those figures from being readily transparent to alumni and other stakeholders who should be apprised annually on the finances of an institution to which they donate. As far as a new arena is concerned, who knows if we're the problem, because we haven't been asked to build one. Maybe if we were, we'd respond favorably. We did 20 years ago when we were asked to refurbish Hayman, and we've come through on other facilities. So, until we're asked (if ever), I think the safe assumption is that a new arena is not atop the BOT's/Madame President's To Do list. |
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Post by durenduren on Feb 12, 2017 16:55:26 GMT -5
I get your point, but you have to remember, if you're standing at 20th and Olney and get robbed, technically you're not on school property. Not true. It's adjacent to university property. The general rule is sidewalk, street, sidewalk. That would include the sidewalk outside that property, the street, and then the opposite sidewalk. An incident at 20th and Olney would be Clery reportable. The Clery Act defines public property as: All public property, including thoroughfares, streets, sidewalks, and parking facilities, that is within the campus, or immediately adjacent to and accessible from the campus.
You need to report Clery reportable crimes for public property within your campus, and for public property that immediately borders your campus. Here's a good image to describe this - everything in yellow gets reported:  My point being, some of those crime stats are skewed in favor of La Salle being safe. See, that's the thing with crime stats. They aren't skewed (unless you pull a Penn State). If you're doing your job correctly, the crime stats simply are what they are, and you report the numbers as they fall. There's a lot of other pressures to make sure those figures remain attractive, but from a reporting standpoint, you call it what it is. The incident on 19th Street is likely non-reportable simply due to geography, but I'm sure the university was in communication with Philadelphia Police. It's not skewed in La Salle's favor - it's the same legal requirements every university faces.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 12, 2017 17:11:02 GMT -5
The problem with the Arena is ALUMNI FUNDING. We don't have a weigh loss mogul currently stepping up and donating $40 million. We don't have 40 alums willing to step up with a million. Again WE ARE THE PROBLEM. I agree for the most part. Last year, in response to Steve Degnan's gift, I joined this board and attempted to galvanize it to collectively match Steve's donation with five-year pledges. When I called Kale and made a pledge, I was the first. As far as I know, no one joined me but I never followed up with Kale. And I agree with your opinion that alumni are the problem in that our overall donation rate to the university is about 20%, which is very disappointing. Maybe it's been higher since the new administration took over, but the ongoing absence of an annual President's Report (which is different from an online list of donors) keeps those figures from being readily transparent to alumni and other stakeholders who should be apprised annually on the finances of an institution to which they donate. As far as a new arena is concerned, who knows if we're the problem, because we haven't been asked to build one. Maybe if we were, we'd respond favorably. We did 20 years ago when we were asked to refurbish Hayman, and we've come through on other facilities. So, until we're asked (if ever), I think the safe assumption is that a new arena is not atop the BOT's/Madame President's To Do list. These are good points. I have seen an improvement in outreach, but I have very little to give at this point. I've given twice, small amounts to the Track team. That is one of my areas of interest to go with Basketball since I was on the team. You know what though? They're losing me. The hiring of the current coach was bumbled throughout and I still don't like the way it went down. As they slowly slip from relevance, I'll be less likely to give. I no longer get letters or emails. I find out about events about a week before they happen, often from Facebook or Kale. Torpey used to do a ton of outreach which is why you saw guys hanging around like crazy. I don't know if that happens anymore but not with the guys that I used to run with. Maybe its attrition as we get older. This is the reason I don't think many people give. I'll get four calls a year from a student just reading a script off a list. If I had Degnan money, I'd be more likely to give some, but I have to see the return coming. I love the changes thus far, but they haven't come in the areas I wish they would and the ones I care most about. Call me selfish, I guess. |
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Post by MisterD on Feb 12, 2017 17:18:26 GMT -5
At this stage in my life, I can't fathom having enough money to deem our basketball program a worthwhile cause. I'd love to get there, but it's nowhere in sight.
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Post by SICguy84 on Feb 12, 2017 17:26:10 GMT -5
The high donations are out there. It's just, prior to this administration, why would anyone throw their money away on a program that has been subpar for so long with so little consequences. Takes time to shake off the apathy and that has not been accomplished yet.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 12, 2017 17:56:34 GMT -5
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Post by MisterD on Feb 12, 2017 17:57:07 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse.
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Feb 12, 2017 19:32:57 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. But you "don't deem out basketball program a worthy cause." So, you don't want to support it, but you mention Towson as an example of a program that got a new arena even though the men's basketball team wasn't good. And how is La Salle going to raise money for our basketball program, let alone a new arena, if you and others on this board keep grinding axes about Br. Michael, Brennan, and the list goes on and on and on. Have I been thrilled with all of the events that have transpired over my 30-year relationship with La Salle? Far from it, and I can enumerate a laundry list of grievances dating back to a BS $25 fine in 1986 for having a Genesee Cream Ale beer ball in my dorm room. But I got the F over it, along with a lot of more serious matters that have happened over the years. Why? Because I OWE La Salle (and, especially, the Christian Brothers) for a lot of what I've been able to accomplish in life. Not the other way around. So when I get a call from a kid reading from a script, or an email asking to donate on Charter Day, I do; I don't demand that La Salle show me something first. And I hope I'm not alone in this sentiment, but I am afraid that I'm in the minority--at least on this board. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 12, 2017 19:52:47 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. I do; I don't demand that La Salle show me something first. And I hope I'm not alone in this sentiment, but I am afraid that I'm in the minority-- at least on this board.I don't know if you're in the minority, but a lot of us don't have money to blindly throw into a pot. The school, the athletic department, the TEAM...they should have to show something to inspire support. |
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Post by mookie on Feb 12, 2017 19:58:44 GMT -5
I do; I don't demand that La Salle show me something first. And I hope I'm not alone in this sentiment, but I am afraid that I'm in the minority-- at least on this board.I don't know if you're in the minority, but a lot of us don't have money to blindly throw into a pot. The school, the athletic department, the TEAM...they should have to show something to inspire support. Just to play devils advocate, the school has funding issues as is and need to allocate funds to something more "safe" and consistent with the university mission. Not that I'm disagreeing with your statement but I'm going to look at it from their perspective as well. |
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Post by las71 on Feb 12, 2017 20:03:20 GMT -5
I agree with your sentiments and donate to the annual fund and charter day solicitation every year regardless of the record of the mens basketball team. I also like G and feel he has been a great representative of LaSalle but I share the frustration of the posters at the lack of success in men's basketball. The mediocrity of the team will never change my feelings for LaSalle but I was thrilled with LaSalle being big news when we made the sweet 16 run. I'm not sure what is a realistic expectation for our program but I hope what we have done over the last 20 plus years hasn't met anyone connected with the program's expectations.
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Post by jellybean on Feb 12, 2017 20:10:54 GMT -5
You can send in a donation and designate the purpose. FYI, $25 might go towards the Summer meal plan when players are on campus. Why not support an athlete that way?
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 12, 2017 20:38:40 GMT -5
I don't know if you're in the minority, but a lot of us don't have money to blindly throw into a pot. The school, the athletic department, the TEAM...they should have to show something to inspire support. Just to play devils advocate, the school has funding issues as is and need to allocate funds to something more "safe" and consistent with the university mission. Not that I'm disagreeing with your statement but I'm going to look at it from their perspective as well. I agree with you. I'm not faulting the school for doing what they're doing macro (I fault them for some micro things, however), I'm just saying that the support structure has to change to get to the level that charm is talking about. |
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Post by durenduren on Feb 12, 2017 20:41:47 GMT -5
Just to play devils advocate, the school has funding issues as is and need to allocate funds to something more "safe" and consistent with the university mission. Million dollar answer, right there. But playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, shouldn't the university's most powerful marketing tool be deemed a savvy or smart investment? |
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Post by charmcityexplorer on Feb 12, 2017 21:00:33 GMT -5
Just to play devils advocate, the school has funding issues as is and need to allocate funds to something more "safe" and consistent with the university mission. Not that I'm disagreeing with your statement but I'm going to look at it from their perspective as well. I agree with you. I'm not faulting the school for doing what they're doing macro (I fault them for some micro things, however), I'm just saying that the support structure has to change to get to the level that charm is talking about. In a lot of ways, this is a dog chasing his tail. The support structure needs to change, but change to the structure requires financial support. I know little about the financial structure of the basketball program, but I think we can all agree that Degnan's gift was in part a recognition that the program needs more targeted funding in order to improve. Rather than following his lead, however, a lot of the people who are the most passionate about the program are waiting for change, whether it be a new arena, new coach, winning consistently, all of the above, etc., before willing to commit. (And the cynic that I am is willing to bet that even if all that happened, people would find new reasons not to give.) I disagree with that approach, but I also appreciate why some feel that giving the program more money does no good if the underlying fundamentals are flawed. |
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Post by MisterD on Feb 12, 2017 21:13:48 GMT -5
But you "don't deem out basketball program a worthy cause." ... I'm going to cut it off right there in case I wasn't clear ... it's not a worthy cause to me as a parent of two young kids. |
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Post by weston2 on Feb 12, 2017 21:14:58 GMT -5
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Post by durenduren on Feb 12, 2017 21:26:12 GMT -5
But you "don't deem out basketball program a worthy cause." ... I'm going to cut it off right there in case I wasn't clear ... it's not a worthy cause to me as a parent of two young kids. But I thought La Salle was your real family... *give us your money* |
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Post by hoopsguest on Feb 12, 2017 23:50:55 GMT -5
Towson got state funding for an arena as a state school, we're not that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 0:14:31 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. SECU Arena is visually anemic and functionally schizophrenic. It screams " municipal architecture built down to a price." If not for the Towson logos on the floor, you could easily mistake the arena for some backwater podunk's convention and events center. La Salle building something similar would be another missed opportunity and waste of money. If you can mistake La Salle's mythical future arena as Drexel's because the only distinguishing marks are the blue and gold, someone has failed profoundly. When an opponent rolls up to La Salle's arena, I want them to know on arrival that they're at 20th and Olney, and that they're going to lose. And can we stop with this notion that a new arena is some kind of panacea in and of itself? Of the 18* teams that have erected a new arena in the last 9 years, 4 fell in RPI and 6 failed to breach the top half of the RPI (175). Only 3 are well positioned to make a run at at-large bids.  * - I've excluded Mississippi and South Dakota because their arenas are literally brand new and it's therefore too early to draw meaningful trends, and Nebraska and Louisville because their new arenas are off campus. A new arena would be helpful, but I have no faith in John Giannini turning that new arena smell into anything but a wet fart. Furthermore, firing John Giannini would be cheaper. |
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Post by durenduren on Feb 13, 2017 5:46:34 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. In a somewhat ironic twist, Towson's mbb senior John Davis was shot Saturday night in South Philly while attending a family gathering after playing Drexel. Just a graze wound, so he'll be okay, but still. |
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on Feb 13, 2017 6:08:54 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. In a somewhat ironic twist, Towson's mbb senior John Davis was shot Saturday night in South Philly while attending a family gathering after playing Drexel. Just a graze wound, so he'll be okay, but still. But La Salle's crime problem! |
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Post by Fastchuck on Feb 13, 2017 6:21:52 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. SECU Arena is visually anemic and functionally schizophrenic. It screams " municipal architecture built down to a price." If not for the Towson logos on the floor, you could easily mistake the arena for some backwater podunk's convention and events center. La Salle building something similar would be another missed opportunity and waste of money. If you can mistake La Salle's mythical future arena as Drexel's because the only distinguishing marks are the blue and gold, someone has failed profoundly. When an opponent rolls up to La Salle's arena, I want them to know on arrival that they're at 20th and Olney, and that they're going to lose. And can we stop with this notion that a new arena is some kind of panacea in and of itself? Of the 18* teams that have erected a new arena in the last 9 years, 4 fell in RPI and 6 failed to breach the top half of the RPI (175). Only 3 are well positioned to make a run at at-large bids. * - I've excluded Mississippi and South Dakota because their arenas are literally brand new and it's therefore too early to draw meaningful trends, and Nebraska and Louisville because their new arenas are off campus. A new arena would be helpful, but I have no faith in John Giannini turning that new arena smell into anything but a wet fart. Furthermore, firing John Giannini would be cheaper.I think that part of Bowling Green's fall in rpi was due to the massacre. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Feb 13, 2017 21:17:50 GMT -5
I'm sure someone has brought up Towson, but if no one has brought up Towson, I'm bringing up Towson. There is no "get good and your reward is adequate facilities" path, if it works, it works in reverse. SECU Arena is visually anemic and functionally schizophrenic. It screams " municipal architecture built down to a price." If not for the Towson logos on the floor, you could easily mistake the arena for some backwater podunk's convention and events center. La Salle building something similar would be another missed opportunity and waste of money. If you can mistake La Salle's mythical future arena as Drexel's because the only distinguishing marks are the blue and gold, someone has failed profoundly. When an opponent rolls up to La Salle's arena, I want them to know on arrival that they're at 20th and Olney, and that they're going to lose. And can we stop with this notion that a new arena is some kind of panacea in and of itself? Of the 18* teams that have erected a new arena in the last 9 years, 4 fell in RPI and 6 failed to breach the top half of the RPI (175). Only 3 are well positioned to make a run at at-large bids. * - I've excluded Mississippi and South Dakota because their arenas are literally brand new and it's therefore too early to draw meaningful trends, and Nebraska and Louisville because their new arenas are off campus. A new arena would be helpful, but I have no faith in John Giannini turning that new arena smell into anything but a wet fart. Furthermore, firing John Giannini would be cheaper.Ok but how many of those facilities were in the bottom 10% of all facilities nationally and bottom 1% of schools competing in conferences in the top 10% of conferences? Similar to studies that say NCAA championship and tourney appearances don't materially benefit a school, what happens when a school? I think Villanova would dispute those findings because generally championships are one by the same minority of schools so the benefits are already built in. A new or purposely/smartly refurbished facility at La Salle would have a remarkable impact because the current facility is completely inadequate of a program competing at this level. We wouldn't be going from average to slightly above average. We would be going from beyond below average to HOPEFULLY average in facilities. I dream of the day when people can say, "yea, it's ok. Not the greatest thing ever but it's nice enough" as opposed to "wait, this is a COLLEGE facility?! In Division ONE?!" Earlier when I said the "Fire G" commentary had overtaken "new facilities" as the leader, I think I might have been wrong because here we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 7:39:29 GMT -5
Ok but how many of those facilities were in the bottom 10% of all facilities nationally and bottom 1% of schools competing in conferences in the top 10% of conferences? Earlier when I said the "Fire G" commentary had overtaken "new facilities" as the leader, I think I might have been wrong because here we are. If you can give me evidence that a new arena will inspire John Giannini to coach an effective offense again, or defense, or even just maybe not cultivate a team which immediately shits the bed coming out of timeouts, then we can have that discussion. As it stands, a new arena would just be a shinier tomb in which he can continue La Salle basketball's living death. And really, what's the difference between pulling 15 wins a year with Giannini and 5 wins a year with the next guy? |
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