MisterD
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Post by MisterD on May 1, 2019 15:25:48 GMT -5
Would you say the posts are almost Daly?
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Post by explorer88 on May 1, 2019 15:26:13 GMT -5
You have almost 10 posts about him in the last 6 weeks, That would be inaccurate. I want La Salle to be better than they are. Are you going to question every post someone has about recruiting and being disappointed when things don't go like a poster wants? Maybe you are fine with where we are but others may not be. You might be better suited sticking to the ridiculous team awards thread instead of things that actually impact the program's success.
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Post by GlitterBro #2 on May 1, 2019 15:40:59 GMT -5
Robert Carpenter to the Bonnies. Sorry but La Salle needs to find a way to win this recruiting battle if Ash truly wanted him. Is he the new messiah? Theologically, the Messiah was a Carpenter...
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 1, 2019 17:54:24 GMT -5
Theologically, the Messiah was a Carpenter... Good Internet.
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Post by gymrat67 on May 1, 2019 19:00:24 GMT -5
Theologically, the Messiah was a Carpenter... + 2 ( extra credit ). Nailed it.
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on May 1, 2019 19:21:26 GMT -5
Good pun or dark pun there.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 21:48:16 GMT -5
FWIW Malik Ellison is in Philadelphia this weekend. Traci posted a picture with him and it looks like he's staying at a hotel based on his Instagram story. Not saying he's visiting la salle this weekend, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. Would be HUGE.
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Post by sweat83 on May 4, 2019 7:43:45 GMT -5
FWIW Malik Ellison is in Philadelphia this weekend. Traci posted a picture with him and it looks like he's staying at a hotel based on his Instagram story. Not saying he's visiting la salle this weekend, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. Would be HUGE. HUGE is a bit over exaggerated. College stats have been average at best. 3FG % sucks and less than 60% from FT line. Appears to be a net negative overall.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 4, 2019 8:24:50 GMT -5
One year of Ellison will be fine.
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Post by explorer88 on May 4, 2019 8:27:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I would hope we could get more impact than Ellison. Maybe he does things better than I realize but on the surface what does he do well? He does not have a great overall game.
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Post by explorer88 on May 4, 2019 8:51:24 GMT -5
La Salle is also pursuing Makai Ashton-Langford as well. He is a former Top 100 recruit who underachieved at Providence but has a lot of upside that could flourish here.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 8:53:40 GMT -5
Yeah. I drastically overspoke. He only averaged 5.8 points. Doesn't seem he'd do much more for us than traci. Please ignore my ignorant comment.
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Post by jellybean on May 4, 2019 9:00:15 GMT -5
HUGE in what area? Not if he stifles Spencer, Ray, Stone or Clark development for ONE year. A year where some here think doesn't matter.
Also while I wish Moore good luck and glad he committed, I think it is HUGELY unfair to the young man to say he will be what BJ Johnson did in his two seasons here. Plus to say he is going to be all-league level for the next two season is really unfair burden to place on him. Now people will have over exaggerated expectations and could be set up for disappointment. Remember BJ was basically a 19/7 guy. I hope CM really does well but he is POTENTIAL. He played 102 minutes in the last TWO seasons at Indiana. The most action he saw in ONE game was 8 minutes.
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Post by a10champion15 on May 4, 2019 9:49:13 GMT -5
No, just no. Their development isn't going to be stifled just like if Traci stayed it wouldn't have been.
Malik Ellison be a solid addition for us. Net negative? That's a joke.
You look at his stats at Pitt and you make your assumptions. You forget he has been with two different programs with three different coaches and systems. He clearly didn't fit in Jeff Capel's system. I look how he performed at St Johns under Mullins and he played pretty well. He's really quick for his size, knows how to distribute the ball and can be a big mismatch for some A10 guards/forwards. The Big East was also crazy good in 2016-2017 season. Definitely plenty of areas to improve such as FT shooting but be a really nice addition in a year we need another solid guard.
You're kidding yourselves if you think you wouldn't take a starter from a Big East program during one of the conference's best seasons.
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Post by calsufan on May 4, 2019 10:11:29 GMT -5
I agree his stats don't look impressive and it's highly doubtful that his FT shooting will improve at this point in his career, but I'll also reference this quote from his Pitt bio:
"Named team captain ... vocal leader who is also one of the hardest workers on the team ... gym rat with a high level of professionalism around his approach to the game"
I'll take a flyer on a guy who was named team captain, is a vocal leader and a gym rat. We need someone like that on such a young roster. He's not going to be a superstar for the team, but he could be what the team needs.
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Post by jellybean on May 4, 2019 10:38:44 GMT -5
Again, all I hear about is developing Ashley's type of player for the future. The future is NOT NOW I read. How does Ellison fit into that plan? Of course if he comes here he will take minutes away from players like Ray, Spencer, Stone and maybe even Clark and Beatty. They are the future.
To mention Traci Carter in this conversation is ridiculous because he is a point guard. Ellison is NOT a point guard. We have tons of guys who fit his (Ellison) role and need playing time.
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Post by calsufan on May 4, 2019 10:50:53 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but do we have a leader on this team? I'm not so sure. I'm also not advocating that he get a ton of minutes. If he can help lead guys and teach them about working hard then that's a big plus. This is all conjecture on my part from a snippet in his Pitt bio (and I realize bio's are jazzed up), but there could be an intangible there that would help the team.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 4, 2019 11:16:58 GMT -5
It's possible that they just want the guy that has played in the Big East and ACC to fill minutes.Would you rather they bring in a player that won't contribute at this level? This is low risk, high reward.
Trust the process.
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Post by jellybean on May 4, 2019 11:53:05 GMT -5
It's possible that they just want the guy that has played in the Big East and ACC to fill minutes.Would you rather they bring in a player that won't contribute at this level? This is low risk, high reward. Trust the process. Thanks Joe but where the f did I ever say that I wanted a player that can't contribute at this level? That's a BS line you throw out there to put me down. Nice try my friend. You say that they might be looking at a player to "fill minutes". Really? If Ellison were to come do you think the "process" will be for him to play LESS that 21-24 minutes he's averaged in his career? About the same? Or more? Look at what we are trying to develop. We have YOUNG guys we need to feed time. We don't need to "fill" minutes. I thought the "process" was to build with Ashley's guy for the future?
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Post by diehardexplorer on May 4, 2019 12:34:20 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but do we have a leader on this team? i thought saul led this team last year and will continue in that role. 0-10 without him 10-11 with him team defense greatly improved when he started playing.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 4, 2019 12:42:57 GMT -5
It's possible that they just want the guy that has played in the Big East and ACC to fill minutes.Would you rather they bring in a player that won't contribute at this level? This is low risk, high reward. Trust the process. Thanks Joe but where the f did I ever say that I wanted a player that can't contribute at this level? Whoa. I just meant as opposed to blindly filling the scholarship. Would you rather leave it vacant?
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Post by jellybean on May 4, 2019 12:56:42 GMT -5
Would I rather leave it vacant? It depends. I'm looking at players that can help for the future like a Rob Carpenter who would have augmented the front line for the "process" for years to come. Unfortunately he committed elsewhere. There is chatter here about needing another point guard. I would look for a younger point guard in the class of 2020 that we are recruiting. We lose Deas and Phiri after next season so I would think the staff could decide to take a "sit one" transfer or HS 2019 who is a wing.
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Post by broderickpresident on May 4, 2019 13:01:28 GMT -5
HUGE in what area? Not if he stifles Spencer, Ray, Stone or Clark development for ONE year. A year where some here think doesn't matter. Also while I wish Moore good luck and glad he committed, I think it is HUGELY unfair to the young man to say he will be what BJ Johnson did in his two seasons here. Plus to say he is going to be all-league level for the next two season is really unfair burden to place on him. Now people will have over exaggerated expectations and could be set up for disappointment. Remember BJ was basically a 19/7 guy. I hope CM really does well but he is POTENTIAL. He played 102 minutes in the last TWO seasons at Indiana. The most action he saw in ONE game was 8 minutes. I'm hopeful he can be one of the only players we've ever had who can average a block AND a steal per game. That list is: Ralph Lewis, Lionel Simmons (x4), Blitz Wooten, Travar Johnson and Rasual Butler (apologies to Gola who probably averaged 5-10 steals per game, had they been tracked, and probably blocked his share of shots, as well). He's probably much closer to Blitz and Travar than he is to the legends, but he's also 3 inches taller. Blitz and Travar could have been very nice players for us by their senior years had they stayed. La Salle has never really had many impact defenders in the frontcourt and hasn't had one with this kind of size. We'll see if he can stay out of foul trouble and improve his offense. Don't expect the world but he should immediately upgrade the defense. Curious to see how he's deployed.
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 4, 2019 13:13:17 GMT -5
Would I rather leave it vacant?. So assuming we’re done with 2019 guys, would you want Ellison or leave a scholarship vacant? It’s going to be vacant if you don’t add a transfer then. And Malik would be gone in a year, right?
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Post by jellybean on May 4, 2019 13:13:37 GMT -5
Broderickpresident, excellent points and food for thought.
I agree his potential (having seen him just once in HS) is on the defensive boards and shot-blocking. I also like that for a big guy he has a pretty good assist/turnover ratio. He is a career 42% shooter from the field AND the free throw line. The FT% scares me a lot. I don't want to see "Hack a Shaq" plus it would mean he can't be on the floor much at the end of close games.
Will benefit from a year with this staff since they spend a lot of time on skills development. Will be interesting to see him in 2020-21. Good luck Clifton.
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Post by jellybean on May 4, 2019 13:29:26 GMT -5
Would I rather leave it vacant?. So assuming we’re done with 2019 guys, would you want Ellison or leave a scholarship vacant? It’s going to be vacant if you don’t add a transfer then. And Malik would be gone in a year, right? I just spelled out my thoughts. It depends. Assume we are done with 2019's, yes I would leave it vacant unless we got a "sit one" transfer. Yes, Malik is a one year player much like Cheddi.
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Post by vital on May 4, 2019 14:12:07 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but do we have a leader on this team? I'm not so sure. I'm also not advocating that he get a ton of minutes. If he can help lead guys and teach them about working hard then that's a big plus. This is all conjecture on my part from a snippet in his Pitt bio (and I realize bio's are jazzed up), but there could be an intangible there that would help the team. Kids are not coming to a program to sit and mentor they want to play 35min and lead and mentor....So either your Seniors lose major minutes or your youth gets shove to the back or redshirts are coming???
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Post by JoeFedorowicz on May 4, 2019 17:50:09 GMT -5
So assuming we’re done with 2019 guys, would you want Ellison or leave a scholarship vacant? It’s going to be vacant if you don’t add a transfer then. And Malik would be gone in a year, right? I just spelled out my thoughts. It depends. Assume we are done with 2019's, yes I would leave it vacant unless we got a "sit one" transfer. Yes, Malik is a one year player much like Cheddi. But unlike Cheddi, he played at the highest level.
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MisterD
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Post by MisterD on May 4, 2019 19:52:17 GMT -5
I’d rather a sit transfer we’ll get 2-3 from than a one and out.
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Post by broderickpresident on May 4, 2019 20:29:42 GMT -5
Broderickpresident, excellent points and food for thought. I agree his potential (having seen him just once in HS) is on the defensive boards and shot-blocking. I also like that for a big guy he has a pretty good assist/turnover ratio. He is a career 42% shooter from the field AND the free throw line. The FT% scares me a lot. I don't want to see "Hack a Shaq" plus it would mean he can't be on the floor much at the end of close games. Will benefit from a year with this staff since they spend a lot of time on skills development. Will be interesting to see him in 2020-21. Good luck Clifton. Yeah, Vernon was a defensive beast lacking offensive polish and unfortunately just couldn’t stay on the court. Fouls could be key for Clifton, too. Thought Vernon could have had a big senior year had the ncaa not screwed him
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