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Post by calsufan on Nov 10, 2016 11:37:41 GMT -5
My concerns are foreign policy and civil liberties related. I mean look, I think repealing the ACA is a bad idea, but its not necessarily moustache-twistingly evil. Almost every Republican wanted to do it. But when you talk about locking up your political opponents, or killing the families of terrorists (which is a war crime), then you're into real scary, un-American territory. And these checks and balances I hear so much about don't usually seem to be all that prevalent in those areas in this day and age. Even if you don't agree with my points, can I get a little credit for the phrase "moustache-twistingly evil." I have to admit I'm very proud of myself for that one. I'll give you some props for that, theneumann64, because I did laugh. Snidely Whiplash and Dishonest John (D.J. was way before your time) came to mind as I read that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 12:45:11 GMT -5
I never knew a candidate "had" to win their own demographic. Just like with Gore losing his home state, the problem with Clinton splitting the women demo is that it set her back to the point where she could never win. She wasn't going to recover the deficit of votes in male white rural areas which were in lock step with Trump's campaign promises. The assumption she would win the urban, minority and women vote was automatically factored in to her candidacy and made her an 80% favorite to win the general election, but her likability among women was presumed, and not a reality. They thought Clinton would do so much better with women voters, but since that did not pan out, especially in the over 40 demo, this means they started in a hole they could not dig out of.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 10, 2016 13:07:48 GMT -5
1 - I think people need to calm down and stop acting as thought Trump can waltz in the White House, drop some nukes, repeal Obamacare and Roe v Wade and build a Mexican border wall 2 - Trump is an asshole, no doubt, but let's not act like all presidents before him were stately gentlemen. They were politicians rarely (if ever) seen in a natural state. Generally speaking, your most powerful people in business and governance tend to be assholes in some way because getting to the top doesn't happen by asking it often is a matter of taking. I will admit that Trump is likely the biggest asshole we've had as president, however, along the lines of point 1 above, the guy doesn't just get unilateral authority. it's a democracy with 3 branches of government checks and balances 3 - Because pockets of densely populated areas overwhelmingly supported one candidate does not mean that the vast geography of the rest of the country doesn't have a say in the matter of president. 4 - He is the President-elect and the only thing you can ask for is that he is the best president in the history of our time. 5 - People act as though the last 15-20 years has somehow been a rebirth of our country, which is a false narrative given the state of constant global terroristic threats, the country's lowest rate of labor participation ever (don't give me the unemployment rate because a. that's skewed by people working P/T that would prefer F/T and b. the denominator is reduced when you exclude those people who want to work but no longer are actively seeking employment). our educational system is a mess, are bridges and roads are literally crumbling and our country hasn't seen a true advancement beyond a stupid iPhone in 30 years. This has all happened while people running our government have done nothing in their life but be a part of government. It's not hard to see how and why someone that is outside of the government ruling class could find traction with a significant number of citizens. Millions of people have been disenfranchised by the government and voted for "Hope and Change" 8 years ago and are left with little to show for it today.
I feel for Hillary supporters because a lot of them are genuinely good people who wanted to see certain things she supported come to fruition. However, by not addressing those people that worked so hard for her on election night and instead conceding an hour after they went home via phone to DJT, tells me all about how someone like her faces adversity. I'm sorry, but she owed it to those people to thank them in person for their hard work, loyalty and dedication to their cause. And to have the audacity to condemn Trump for not openly stating he would accept the results of the election and then starting these "Not My President" protests is complete hypocrisy and Hillary should have come right out and said as much but chose not to.
And save me the crap about "how do I explain this to my daughter/wife"...I have a HIGHLY educated wife that is incredibly successful who voted for Trump and 2 daughters that were terrified of a Hillary presidency. A Mother and Sister as well with the same mindset. Small sample size for sure but the false narrative that this somehow sets women behind is for people that think someone, man or woman, can limit or enhance your chances for success when in fact, no man or woman can dictate who you are or what you can be. Trump rated women on Stern and ran beauty pageants - so what? He wasn't doing those things with the idea of running for president some day, which makes his candidacy even more interesting. He has ZERO to gain by being president given his past behavior and yet he still ran and won. Could it be possible that he really does want to see America succeed?
I can't wait for people to call me a racist, xenophobic, bigot, but I'm not sure how I qualify for that group.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 10, 2016 13:21:38 GMT -5
I'm not gonna start calling people racists, I'd have to call close friends of mine who voted for Trump racists, but the 2 choices that leaves are A) Not believing Trump is a racist (which I'm hoping is how my friends feel, but intellectually I honestly am trying to see how a sane person can come to that conclusion) or B) don't think that's a disqualifying factor to be President of the United States in 2016.
And this phrase gets overused to the point its going to lose its effectiveness, but
" but the false narrative that this somehow sets women behind is for people that think someone, man or woman, can limit or enhance your chances for success when in fact, no man or woman can dictate who you are or what you can be" is kind of textbook white privilege.
Anyway, I'm trying to move on. There's a few policies in Trump's "First 100 Days" thing I can support, spending money on infrastructure, some of the eliminating regulation (if its done judiciously), discussing term limits, that I can choose to focus on and hope go well and help the country.
But I'm not going to pretend everything he did in his year-long campaign (and going back years with the birther stuff) was an aberration, and now he's going to be a statesman. I'm a 30 year old straight white man with a good job, some of his tax stuf might even help me- but I still find him to be an unconscionably bad man, with no respect for the things that make this country special, and even if he himself is not personally a racist, he's empowered a ton of them to think their voice is one that belongs as part of legitimate discourse.
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Post by coachd on Nov 10, 2016 13:37:17 GMT -5
My concerns are foreign policy and civil liberties related. I mean look, I think repealing the ACA is a bad idea, but its not necessarily moustache-twistingly evil. Almost every Republican wanted to do it. But when you talk about locking up your political opponents, or killing the families of terrorists (which is a war crime), then you're into real scary, un-American territory. And these checks and balances I hear so much about don't usually seem to be all that prevalent in those areas in this day and age. Even if you don't agree with my points, can I get a little credit for the phrase "moustache-twistingly evil." I have to admit I'm very proud of myself for that one. www.midlifemommyadventures.com/uploads/1/6/2/5/16255298/6458108_orig.jpeg
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 10, 2016 14:27:06 GMT -5
I got that phrase from my mother, a daughter of poor immigrant parents who had exceptionally little privilege growing up and was told that by her father every time her older brothers or boys in school picked on her or teased her and to show her that no matter what challenges you face as a man or woman you dictate your own self worth.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 10, 2016 14:35:12 GMT -5
The self-worth part with is fair, the part about no one being able to limit your success is wrong, and its especially wrong for minorities.
Anyway, I didn't mean to personally attack you, apologies if that's how it came across. I just don't agree with that statement.
We have a game against Temple tomorrow, so I'm almost done here, but I've been pleased with everyone's level of civility, so thanks to everyone who participated.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 10, 2016 15:35:35 GMT -5
We have a game against Temple tomorrow, so I'm almost done here, but I've been pleased with everyone's level of civility, so thanks to everyone who participated. This might be the biggest surprise of the year.
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Post by explorerman on Nov 10, 2016 16:54:54 GMT -5
I'm not gonna start calling people racists, I'd have to call close friends of mine who voted for Trump racists, but the 2 choices that leaves are A) Not believing Trump is a racist (which I'm hoping is how my friends feel, but intellectually I honestly am trying to see how a sane person can come to that conclusion) or B) don't think that's a disqualifying factor to be President of the United States in 2016. And this phrase gets overused to the point its going to lose its effectiveness, but " but the false narrative that this somehow sets women behind is for people that think someone, man or woman, can limit or enhance your chances for success when in fact, no man or woman can dictate who you are or what you can be" is kind of textbook white privilege. Anyway, I'm trying to move on. There's a few policies in Trump's "First 100 Days" thing I can support, spending money on infrastructure, some of the eliminating regulation (if its done judiciously), discussing term limits, that I can choose to focus on and hope go well and help the country. But I'm not going to pretend everything he did in his year-long campaign (and going back years with the birther stuff) was an aberration, and now he's going to be a statesman. I'm a 30 year old straight white man with a good job, some of his tax stuf might even help me- but I still find him to be an unconscionably bad man, with no respect for the things that make this country special, and even if he himself is not personally a racist, he's empowered a ton of them to think their voice is one that belongs as part of legitimate discourse.[/quote] And we have a winner... I really hope he changes for the betterment of our country.. He is our leader of our common cause! But there hasn't been a more divisive President-Elect in our modern political scene and it would be lazy and irresponsible to forget about what has been said or done especially when it is our duty citizens to do so.. A famous line about "All men are created equal"..
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Post by explorerman on Nov 10, 2016 18:37:37 GMT -5
1 - I think people need to calm down and stop acting as thought Trump can waltz in the White House, drop some nukes, repeal Obamacare and Roe v Wade and build a Mexican border wall 2 - Trump is an asshole, no doubt, but let's not act like all presidents before him were stately gentlemen. They were politicians rarely (if ever) seen in a natural state. Generally speaking, your most powerful people in business and governance tend to be assholes in some way because getting to the top doesn't happen by asking it often is a matter of taking. I will admit that Trump is likely the biggest asshole we've had as president, however, along the lines of point 1 above, the guy doesn't just get unilateral authority. it's a democracy with 3 branches of government checks and balances 3 - Because pockets of densely populated areas overwhelmingly supported one candidate does not mean that the vast geography of the rest of the country doesn't have a say in the matter of president. 4 - He is the President-elect and the only thing you can ask for is that he is the best president in the history of our time. 5 - People act as though the last 15-20 years has somehow been a rebirth of our country, which is a false narrative given the state of constant global terroristic threats, the country's lowest rate of labor participation ever (don't give me the unemployment rate because a. that's skewed by people working P/T that would prefer F/T and b. the denominator is reduced when you exclude those people who want to work but no longer are actively seeking employment). our educational system is a mess, are bridges and roads are literally crumbling and our country hasn't seen a true advancement beyond a stupid iPhone in 30 years. This has all happened while people running our government have done nothing in their life but be a part of government. It's not hard to see how and why someone that is outside of the government ruling class could find traction with a significant number of citizens. Millions of people have been disenfranchised by the government and voted for "Hope and Change" 8 years ago and are left with little to show for it today. I feel for Hillary supporters because a lot of them are genuinely good people who wanted to see certain things she supported come to fruition. However, by not addressing those people that worked so hard for her on election night and instead conceding an hour after they went home via phone to DJT, tells me all about how someone like her faces adversity. I'm sorry, but she owed it to those people to thank them in person for their hard work, loyalty and dedication to their cause. And to have the audacity to condemn Trump for not openly stating he would accept the results of the election and then starting these "Not My President" protests is complete hypocrisy and Hillary should have come right out and said as much but chose not to. And save me the crap about "how do I explain this to my daughter/wife"...I have a HIGHLY educated wife that is incredibly successful who voted for Trump and 2 daughters that were terrified of a Hillary presidency. A Mother and Sister as well with the same mindset. Small sample size for sure but the false narrative that this somehow sets women behind is for people that think someone, man or woman, can limit or enhance your chances for success when in fact, no man or woman can dictate who you are or what you can be. Trump rated women on Stern and ran beauty pageants - so what? He wasn't doing those things with the idea of running for president some day, which makes his candidacy even more interesting. He has ZERO to gain by being president given his past behavior and yet he still ran and won. Could it be possible that he really does want to see America succeed? I can't wait for people to call me a racist, xenophobic, bigot, but I'm not sure how I qualify for that group. I will have a go. 1- See my post earlier. I agree completely. 2- Not going to disagree.. He has certainly enabled so of the hateful groups in our country (see last 6 months and sadly a lot of instances today, even post his good acceptance speech). 3- Fair point. I don't disagree. But should a person's vote be marginalized? 4- Completely agree and economically (regards what he has been saying) he is coming into a fairly good situation compared the last President's situation. 5- Ok you have me here. While I agree that the unemployment rate is dumb, but what variables are considering about the labor participation rate? What is the largest variable within the LPR (emphasis on: Largest)? I think you are trying to imply something. There has always been global terror threats going back 100 years now those terror threats are directed at us (which isn't that uncommon the last 100 years: Pearl Harbor, Russia, etc).. Recently in modern history, however, it is because of some pretty horrific foreign policy started in the early 90s and accelerated in the 00's, largely from 1 party. So there is a certain level of cause and effect. You should at least give me that. But now we are going to destroy an ideology? No advancement over the last 30 years other than iPhone? What about the internet, the catalyst of the information age in the late 90s and early 00's? Literally, the most important discovery and implementation in our lifetimes and probably for the next 50-100 years? This innovation that has single handedly created more wealth in this country and world and has set up it more innovation for years to come. But ok no innovation. So this is where you are losing me? So the people who run our government are bad? They are civil servants. Are you talking about the career politicians? Your leader, Mitch McConnell, has been pretty clear on this. There are no term limits and there will never be term limits imposed, because an election is a free market version of term limits. But this is where your verbiage of "government ruling class" is starting to tip your hand, my fellow La Salle alum. Re: The disenfranchised voter block that you are referring to from 8 years ago? Has there been a dramatic shift in voting demographics from 8 years ago that I didn't know about? Those disenfranchised people didn't vote for Obama in the last election, I am sorry to say. I know who you are referring to but they simply didn't vote for him so you can't say that they were let down. Those people were however disenfranchised by something all together in the mid to late 80s, which continued to progress into the 90s. I 100% agree with you. Clinton's handling of election night was pathetic. Podesta, who is very overrated, should have told her to speak. I texted to a group of friends that night "Amateur hour". Very very bad. Careful with hypocrisy, it works both ways. And this I am really anxious to hear, why was your HIGHLY educated wife and 2 daughters, sister and mom terrified of Hillary? This is something that I really haven't pieced together. The vote among white women was fairly close now there was a subsector of that demographic (women) that really created the separation and that is the story I am trying to understand. I think I have an idea but I would really like to learn because I just can't put together how a woman would be terrified by Clinton and wouldn't terrified by a Trump presidency as his proposed policies and previous statements seem to fairly direct and easy to understand.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 10, 2016 19:28:30 GMT -5
The people you referred to weren't disenfranchised, they were disillusioned, which is also bad, but its not really a good choice of words when all of the Voter Id and Ballot suppression tactics being employed to legitimately disenfranchise people of their right to vote.
Last question for you both regarding checks and balances, which you guys agreed on. What check or balance would be in place to prevent President Trump from launching a nuclear weapon (other than military personnel illegally refusing to follow an order from the Commander-In-Chief)? That's the one mushroom cloud sized hole in the "check and balances" argument.
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Post by MisterD on Nov 10, 2016 19:42:25 GMT -5
I'm trying to stay away from pretty much all of this, but I want to non-contentiously as possible point something out. I've seen dozens of variations of "there's not *that* much he can do" and "wait and see" and "we have to accept this and move forward" and it ignores the MASSIVE point that something horrible *already has happened*. Not could (or will), but has. Maybe not to you, but how do you tell a Mexican-American or a gay American or a black American or a transgender American or an Amercian female victim of abuse/assault/harassment or any other of an infinite list of now very clearly labeled "others" to wait and see if something bad really happens when the entire country just voted to elect someone whose campaign foundation was "WE need to take this country back from (you)." The irreparable damage that's already been done to millions and millions of good people *by their own country* should not and cannot be overlooked. That's why the protests matter; they show this is more than "our candidate lost and that sucks", it shows "you won't be alone fighting this person and the people who elected him either because of his bigotry or because they didn't see his bigotry as a disqualifier". Not everyone who voted for Trump is a bigot, but every single one of them tacitly endorsed a bigot.
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 11, 2016 0:06:19 GMT -5
The number one issue of importance to me is good governance and transparency. Even though I'm out of the business, I will always at my core be a journalist. I can accept differences of opinion on policy. But people who obtain power and then use it for their own means at the expense of the people they are chosen to represent is seriously the most repugnant thing in the world to me.
This is why I voted for Bernie in the primary. I'm not a socialist by any stretch. I'm certainly liberal on pretty much every social issue but I'm also a "small government" type, too. But Bernie treated me as a special interest. He didn't take money from some company he will have to go and regulate. He took political donations from a lot of unions, but that's fine. I'm certainly not a fan of the Philly-based unions that do things like ruin the Convention Center or burn down work sites of non-union rivals. But I like unions way more than I do, say, Goldman Sachs.
Like... the Clinton's are terrible. They're just bad human beings. Competent? Won't ruin the world? Treat others with dignity and respect? Yes. But they are such sleaze. They will literally take money from anyone. Thinking that you could monetize the State Department and skirt federal transparency laws and still get the trust of the American public is hubris at its worst.
For all the justified fears of Russia's influence on our election, I'm way more scared of Russia controlling the supply chain for the world's uranium and, specifically, having a state-owned company own 20% of US uranium supply. And this is all done to favor people who made gigantic donations to the Clinton Foundation. This isn't some nutjob thing on Breitbart. This was in the NY Times and backed up in a lot of other places.
And it might sound like a "who cares" sorta thing, but Russia used to routinely shut off natural gas to Germany and the rest of Europe when Ukraine didn't toe the line. (They realized it was just a lot more efficient to annex part of the county.) That is seriously awful and complete unreported.
I still voted for HRC. But I didn't even look at my ballot.
The e-mails are also so important. I have zero faith that whatever urchin is on the Trump cabinet will abide by the transparency rules set in place. And he/she will get caught. And there's nothing that can be done if this happens, since there's precedence for the FBI to not care if the Secretary of State of the United States wants to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests by stashing information on a private server.
It just really sucks. The DNC should be ashamed of themselves. Just right in our own sewer they're a disgrace. Chakka Fattah has been on the take for decades. Before he was a Congressman, even. Everyone knew it. The House was perfectly fine looking the other way and even let him become a Cardinal on the House Appropriations Committee. Then when he finally was on trial, every single major Democrat in the city rushed out to his defense. Bob Brady claimed Chakka brought billions -- yes, with a b -- back to the city. Ed Rendell said we should all be lucky to have well-heeled politically connected friends who will pay for a child's tuition.
And all of the aforementioned people were Superdelegates.
Why does the party that I support on social issues treat people like this? Why does my intelligence get insulted? Does Hilary really think I shouldn't mind that she got a few million from investment banks that she'd have to regulate?
Seriously. I hate Trump and it feels sorta like 9/11 all over again in my corner of the world. My gay friends are beside themselves with worry. You know the whole issue about transgendered people and bathrooms? It might not sound like a big deal, but try telling that to two of my oldest friends who are raising a trans child. Let alone every woman I'm friends with feeling like they were just victimized.
But the DNC really has to look at itself in the mirror. Why did they sell their soul to Hilary? Was it worth it? The only places they won on the map are the big cities here, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, a few other cities and the super progressive left-y college town most states have. Why is that?
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 11, 2016 0:10:25 GMT -5
Also on the DNC. You know what might not be the best strategy?
Bernie Sanders raised a historic amount of money from individual donors. And so many of his donors were college kids or millenials who don't have the disposable income to toss around to political candidates. But he marketed himself the right way -- the $5 donations were just as important as any max deals he could get.
He wrote a blueprint about how to get fundraising money while also gaining an insane loyalty from his supporters.
I don't think the strategy I would use if I was the DNC would be to try and cut Bernie's legs out from under him, demonize his supporters and then lecture them at a convention about their untoward behavior.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 11, 2016 1:20:39 GMT -5
It's late and I'm drunk so I'll talk more tomorrow, but the DNC's biggest sin was discouraging a robust primary in the first place, trying to keep Hillary as undamaged from friendly-fire as possible for the general.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 11, 2016 15:27:16 GMT -5
I want to respond to Explorerman and answer his questions thoughtfully, but I honestly haven't had the time. I will come right out and say he's right about my comment on innovation in the last 30 years being way off base, but trim it to the last 15 years maybe?
Also, this is exactly why I hate to even discuss my political viewpoints with anyone because everyone has different opinions, and that's great, but what sometimes happens is that people's political views can cloud how people are viewed by others which is entirely unfair all too often, especially here where we have one major common bond in our lovve of La Salle and in particular its basketball program.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 11, 2016 23:25:37 GMT -5
Saw this quote tonight and found it applicable especially since we seem to have gone down the path of talking about not just the candidates but the people that voted for them:
Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples - while judging ourselves by our best intentions. And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose.
But Americans, I think, have a great advantage. To renew our unity, we only need to remember our values. We have never been held together by blood or background. We are bound by things of the spirit – by shared commitments to common ideals.
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Post by calsufan on Nov 12, 2016 0:29:25 GMT -5
Saw this quote tonight and found it applicable especially since we seem to have gone down the path of talking about not just the candidates but the people that voted for them: Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples - while judging ourselves by our best intentions. And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose. But Americans, I think, have a great advantage. To renew our unity, we only need to remember our values. We have never been held together by blood or background. We are bound by things of the spirit – by shared commitments to common ideals. The biggest problem I have with all of that is that is not how Trump campaigned. His campaign was one of hate towards minorities, immigrants, Muslims and Mexicans. He made bogeymen of them all. He tore at the bedrock that this country was built upon: tolerance, religious freedom and a nation built by and raised up by immigrants. Trump was his own worst example and he encouraged this same behavior in more than a few of his supporters by his words and deeds. That far and away was my biggest issue with him. Not the only one mind you, but the biggest.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 14, 2016 20:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by westcoast on Dec 6, 2016 3:29:04 GMT -5
In a stunner. President Trump. Pennsylvania pushed him over too. The most important thing is that Trump will appoint Constitutional justices to the Supreme Court. We will save our rights and protections for at least the next few generations. America spoke loud and clear that we must drain the swamp of corruption. Our trade deals will be renegotiated and our higher paying jobs will return. Lots of work to do to clean up the DOJ and IRS too. he will appoint only those approved by the Koch brothers.
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Post by coachd on Dec 6, 2016 8:23:38 GMT -5
Pennsylvania pushed him over too. The most important thing is that Trump will appoint Constitutional justices to the Supreme Court. We will save our rights and protections for at least the next few generations. America spoke loud and clear that we must drain the swamp of corruption. Our trade deals will be renegotiated and our higher paying jobs will return. Lots of work to do to clean up the DOJ and IRS too. he will appoint only those approved by the Koch brothers. Actually the Koch brothers didn't support him. The Koch brothers, despite attacks from the media, have done great things including donations of large sums for healthcare research.
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Post by coachd on Jun 11, 2018 8:28:03 GMT -5
After 500 days in office, like him or loath him, many give President Trump credit for: 1. A booming economy with record low unemployment across all sectors and especially for minorities with more job openings than people to fill the positions. He is fighting to bring back our companies from overseas. 2. Tax cuts = Increase in monthly pay of a little more than $200 for most middle income earners. 3. Most retirement accounts are up by 1/3 since he took office. 4. Dealing with enemies that other Presidents failed to deal with properly. Making our allies pay their fair share for our defense budget including NATO. 5. A push for energy independence that will have the United States as the top exporter of oil by next year. 6. Making the country more secure and reducing tax burden by enforcing existing immigration laws and securing the borders. 7. Draining the corrupt leadership from the FBI and DOJ. 8. Cleaning up the VA mess and by allowing vets to use regular healthcare facilities. Increasing military funding and shrinking the size of the Federal government.
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Post by theneumann64 on Jun 11, 2018 9:12:31 GMT -5
You have to know none of that is actually true. I guess we could argue about number 2. "Decrease taxes for the wealthy and it'll grow the rest of the economy" is the greatest lie in the last 50 years of American politics, but that's at least a policy debate.
But no serious person thinks an economy that's been steadily improving since 6 months after Obama took office (the indicators of which Trump continuously decried as phony while campaigning and now takes full credit for) has anything to do with Trump (unless you want to just give him credit for not tanking it, which fine).
4-8 are just straight up trolling out of the Breitbart, InfoWars, Fox News propoganda and I know even you don't believe them to I'm not going to refute you point by point.
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Post by blueandgold on Jun 11, 2018 9:33:05 GMT -5
After 500 days in office, like him or loath him, many give President Trump credit for: 1. A booming economy with record low unemployment across all sectors and especially for minorities with more job openings than people to fill the positions. He is fighting to bring back our companies from overseas. 2. Tax cuts = Increase in monthly pay of a little more than $200 for most middle income earners. 3. Most retirement accounts are up by 1/3 since he took office. 4. Dealing with enemies that other Presidents failed to deal with properly. Making our allies pay their fair share for our defense budget including NATO. 5. A push for energy independence that will have the United States as the top exporter of oil by next year. 6. Making the country more secure and reducing tax burden by enforcing existing immigration laws and securing the borders. 7. Draining the corrupt leadership from the FBI and DOJ. 8. Cleaning up the VA mess and by allowing vets to use regular healthcare facilities. Increasing military funding and shrinking the size of the Federal government. Melania, is that you? You're taking Barbara Bottini to a new level here.
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Post by MisterD on Jun 11, 2018 10:24:53 GMT -5
9. Proved that going from a disciple of Reagan to someone who has ceded all emotional and intellectual autonomy to a president who is fully subservient to Russia is actually a totally normal political evolution and definitely not the sign of a sad man searching for a dictator he can provide self-defining, absolute loyalty to.
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Post by coachd on Jun 11, 2018 11:06:38 GMT -5
9. Proved that going from a disciple of Reagan to someone who has ceded all emotional and intellectual autonomy to a president who is fully subservient to Russia is actually a totally normal political evolution and definitely not the sign of a sad man searching for a dictator he can provide self-defining, absolute loyalty to. LMAO...Don't let the facts get in the way of the truth. The Russian reset was with HRC and Obama (remember the quote of Obama "Tell Vlad I will have more flexibility after the next election."). Remember it was Obama admin that sold 20 pct of our cake grade uranium to Russia (Uranium One deal). Hillary's bud John Podesta and his Podesta Group did some illegal business with Russia. The Mueller special counsel should have uncovered that and the illegal payments Russia made to Bill Clinton for Moscow speeches as part of the Uranium One deal (large donation made to Clinton Foundation). But when you look at the special counsel you only see those who donated to HRC and Obama, not a single Trump donor. And as deep as they dig (after $10 million tax dollars spent) they can't find a single piece of evidence Trump had any contact with anyone from Russia. Trump has imposed harsher sanctions on Russia and got us out of the Iranian Treaty that Obama put us in without congressional approval. Trump is also about to end the Korean War this week. Looking forward to the IG report coming out this week also which will show how FBI and DOJ leadership (Comey, Strzok, Ohr and Lynch and others) mishandled the criminal Clinton e-mail server investigation.
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Post by coachd on Jun 11, 2018 11:14:35 GMT -5
You have to know none of that is actually true. I guess we could argue about number 2. "Decrease taxes for the wealthy and it'll grow the rest of the economy" is the greatest lie in the last 50 years of American politics, but that's at least a policy debate. But no serious person thinks an economy that's been steadily improving since 6 months after Obama took office (the indicators of which Trump continuously decried as phony while campaigning and now takes full credit for) has anything to do with Trump (unless you want to just give him credit for not tanking it, which fine). 4-8 are just straight up trolling out of the Breitbart, InfoWars, Fox News propoganda and I know even you don't believe them to I'm not going to refute you point by point. You need to turn off NPR, CNN and msnbc. Your 401k didn't increase rapidly during Obama years, no that was Trump's economy. Unemployment didn't dip to record lows under Obama, it has done so under Trump. Tens of Thousands of employees from thousands of companies across the USA received bonuses of $1,000 or more under Trump, not Obama. 2/3 of all Americans, according to a recent CBS poll, say they credit President Trump for our great economy.
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Post by coachd on Jun 11, 2018 11:16:21 GMT -5
Obama used our tax dollars to try to revive the economy. Remember he outspent all previous Presidents combined. Who can forget the disaster known as "Cash for Clunkers" or the failed Solyndra solar panel mess.
What was Obama's foreign policy... apologize to the Middle East, the Benghazi scandal and of course what many argued was the treasonous Iran treaty (the Valerie Jarrett/John Kerry deal) where he delivered billions of dollars to Iran without congressional approval and got nothing in return from the rogue nation of Iran.
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Post by durenduren on Jun 11, 2018 11:19:57 GMT -5
You have such a hard-on for Trump. We get it...
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Post by theneumann64 on Jun 11, 2018 11:23:22 GMT -5
Obama used our tax dollars to try to revive the economy. Remember he outspent all previous Presidents combined. Who can forget the disaster known as "Cash for Clunkers" or the failed Solyndra solar panel mess. What was Obama's foreign policy... apologize to the Middle East, the Benghazi scandal and of course what many argued was the treasonous Iran treaty (the Valerie Jarrett/John Kerry deal) where he delivered billions of dollars to Iran without congressional approval and got nothing in return from the rogue nation of Iran. Well Iran stopped their nuclear program before we violated the agreement, sending a message to the rest of the world that making agreements with us is useless because we will violate them if the toddler we elected decides he wants undo everything the black guy did.
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