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Post by broderickpresident on Oct 7, 2015 8:30:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 9, 2015 8:45:40 GMT -5
12th year for G. That hit me like a ton on bricks when I read it. Doesn't seem like 12 years have gone by. He has driven a lot of us nuts in different circumstances and games but he has stabilized the program, led us to a Sweet 16 appearance (which still is the farthest any city school has gone currently), and been a great ambassador for the school with very little resources. His tenure has been very successful.
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Oct 9, 2015 12:32:25 GMT -5
12th year for G. That hit me like a ton on bricks when I read it. Doesn't seem like 12 years have gone by. He has driven a lot of us nuts in different circumstances and games but he has stabilized the program, led us to a Sweet 16 appearance (which still is the farthest any city school has gone currently), and been a great ambassador for the school with very little resources. His tenure has been very successful. What do you mean by "(which still is the farthest any city school has gone currently)", does it mean with current coaches? Nova had a final four run? |
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 9, 2015 13:31:47 GMT -5
No. Just saying no team has gone back to the Sweet 16 from Philly since La Salle was there.
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Post by thelasallelunatic on Oct 9, 2015 13:57:23 GMT -5
12th year for G. That hit me like a ton on bricks when I read it. Doesn't seem like 12 years have gone by. He has driven a lot of us nuts in different circumstances and games but he has stabilized the program, led us to a Sweet 16 appearance (which still is the farthest any city school has gone currently), and been a great ambassador for the school with very little resources. His tenure has been very successful. 175-170 over 11 years, he's had 1 very special year, a very good season, and a couple of decent years (2005-2006, 2008-2009). I would call that tenure more decent, than very successful. |
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Post by MisterD on Oct 9, 2015 15:14:02 GMT -5
Atlantic 10 is a .534 conference over that time frame. Tell anyone here in 2003 that we were going to have a 12 year winning percentage that starts with a "5" and a Sweet 16 and every single person signs up.
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 9, 2015 16:01:34 GMT -5
12th year for G. That hit me like a ton on bricks when I read it. Doesn't seem like 12 years have gone by. He has driven a lot of us nuts in different circumstances and games but he has stabilized the program, led us to a Sweet 16 appearance (which still is the farthest any city school has gone currently), and been a great ambassador for the school with very little resources. His tenure has been very successful. 175-170 over 11 years, he's had 1 very special year, a very good season, and a couple of decent years (2005-2006, 2008-2009). I would call that tenure more decent, than very successful. Given the facilities and he did in fact have a very special year, one which was not seen in 59 years at La Salle I would call it very successful when you step back and analyze it. That being said I won't argue those who think of his tenure less than that. I just can't remove the facility issue which is killing our ability to grab higher talent. |
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Post by sweat83 on Oct 10, 2015 5:41:59 GMT -5
On top of what 88 said....No negative headlines, program stability, and recruiting good kids into his program, and graduating a good percentage of them. Yeah, more wins would be nice, but I believe the program is in a good place right now. G has integrity, which alot of College coaches are missing these days.
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Post by lasalle89 on Oct 10, 2015 6:23:26 GMT -5
SWEET 16. Can you believe G got us there? I remember when I considered it a good game when G only lost by less then 10 points. He has been a man of integrity and has represented our school with class.
My kids still say.. Dad.. Can you believe LaSalle went to the Sweet 16? And they will never forget the South West Philly Floater. We just watched it on YouTube last week. Hopefully we can have a repeat with next years team!
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Post by calsufan on Oct 10, 2015 8:52:03 GMT -5
Although I wish his winning percentage was higher, I think overall he's done a good job. What coach could do more with less like G does? Our facility is an absolute joke and yet he still manages to attract a level of talent that is A-10 or better. His coaching drives me nuts sometimes, but as others have said, he's a good guy, represents the school very well and his players are good student / athletes. I think we're fortunate to have him given our circumstances (no facility and given the financial crunch that small private schools are experiencing, it's now likely that we'll never see a new facility).
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Oct 10, 2015 17:25:04 GMT -5
So just how long are we gonna see post after post saying our facility is a joke? How about someone revisiting just what type of (people) were responsible for the "renovation" and why this - probably last gasp effort considering the current state of Catholic universities as covered so much recently - was probably all she wrote?
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Post by lsubluegold on Oct 11, 2015 19:19:45 GMT -5
The team preview sounds like Giannini has squandered any talent his teams have had and that it would be best to buy a ticket this year...............to practice.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 11, 2015 20:45:43 GMT -5
Well ... how many wins would you have to be given to take 2015-16 over 2016-17?
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Post by a10champion15 on Oct 11, 2015 21:46:48 GMT -5
The team preview sounds like Giannini has squandered any talent his teams have had and that it would be best to buy a ticket this year...............to practice. Giannini squad is far from short on talent. It is more of an experience thing than talent. Price is most likely a preseason 1st team player. Roberts is his right hand man. Stukes was one of the better freshmen in the conference. Shuler will emerge this season. A brand new backcourt won 17 games last season and lost half a dozen close games. While I am not getting hyped up for a great season they certainly won't be awful. Josh is right on point with his three keys to success. If you concerned with talent you should go look at verbal commits... According to them Giannini's roster next season is top 3 in the conference with the addition of three former 4 star top 100 recruits in Johnson, Powell and Henry. |
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Post by 23won on Oct 13, 2015 12:04:41 GMT -5
If we can get balance and cohesion with scoring like below, we will get more than 20 wins. If not, we build for a very potent team next year. Would like the former. Will take the latter. Despite grumbling in season, am very happy with G and am glad he is coaching better - both coming into the game and in game. I think many will be surprised this year. With a short bench and fewer choices, I think he will coac better this year
Yvgen 11
Tony 7
Rohan 6
Cleon 12
Jordan 19
Amar 7
Johnnie 8
Rest of bench 4
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 12:45:18 GMT -5
If we can get balance and cohesion with scoring like below, we will get more than 20 wins. If not, we build for a very potent team next year. Would like the former. Will take the latter. Despite grumbling in season, am very happy with G and am glad he is coaching better - both coming into the game and in game. I think many will be surprised this year. With a short bench and fewer choices, I think he will coac better this year Yvgen 11 Tony 7 Rohan 6 Cleon 12 Jordan 19 Amar 7 Johnnie 8 Rest of bench 4 That comes out to 74 ppg. If they can average that and the defense is on par with last years (62.3 ppg allowed), there's no doubt in my mind they can win 20 games. I do think the team will be better than people think but I just don't see them averaging 74 pts. I'm thinking 68-70 ppg at the max. Getting a combined 20 ppg out of Yevgen, Tony, and Rohan is probably the best we can hope for. I would be happy thrilled with that as long as they're rebounding and defending. |
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Post by MisterD on Oct 13, 2015 13:10:09 GMT -5
I want us to not fall under .500 this year and then just kick ass in 2016-17.
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Post by scarletexplorer on Oct 13, 2015 14:10:34 GMT -5
If we can get balance and cohesion with scoring like below, we will get more than 20 wins. If not, we build for a very potent team next year. Would like the former. Will take the latter. Despite grumbling in season, am very happy with G and am glad he is coaching better - both coming into the game and in game. I think many will be surprised this year. With a short bench and fewer choices, I think he will coac better this year Yvgen 11 Tony 7 Rohan 6 Cleon 12 Jordan 19 Amar 7 Johnnie 8 Rest of bench 4 I'd be surprised if we got 11 out of Eugene. I'd expect 13-15 out of him as his ceiling as a senior; this year I'd be happy if he can give us a solid 8 ppg and 6 rebounds. I think Washington will give us about 5 ppg. I'd also put Rohan closer to 4-5, depending on how many minutes he gets. Even with our thin bench, I still see him as more of a glue/leadership type guy than an actual producer. The rest of the numbers more or less seem right. The real question is where the points come in to play, i.e., are they stat padding points against bad teams or meaningful points in close games? I'd put us around 17 wins, but I'll have to take a closer look at the schedule before I put up a final prediction. |
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Oct 13, 2015 15:03:34 GMT -5
I would just like to see us score more points each game than our opponents. I think if that happens this could be a nice season.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 13, 2015 15:49:55 GMT -5
You didn't specify at what point in the game.
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Post by lsubluegold on Oct 13, 2015 22:25:50 GMT -5
If we can get balance and cohesion with scoring like below, we will get more than 20 wins. ..... More than 20 wins? La Salle?? This coming season? Seriously??? I don't see how that happens. |
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Post by theneumann64 on Oct 14, 2015 5:38:47 GMT -5
If we can get balance and cohesion with scoring like below, we will get more than 20 wins. ..... More than 20 wins? La Salle?? This coming season? Seriously??? I don't see how that happens. If we figure out how to turn superfluous question marks into wins we'll be well on the way. |
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Post by 23won on Oct 14, 2015 6:24:19 GMT -5
KJ You are right about the numbers and I should have clarified my thinking. The 4 point rest of team stat is going to apply based on scoring when they get in - likely to be OOC games with a heavy lead. I'd like to be proven wrong but I don't think these guys will play/score much in A10 play. That gets us to 70 ppg on average which I think is doable. I don't see this D being incredibly tough especially down low but they are capable of keeping teams to 68, maybe 66 points. As to the other  On how we get 20+ wins, here are my .02. Feel free to debate at length. We need to win close games as I think we will have many games in league see- sawing at a 3-5 point spread in the second half. To convert those to 20+ here are 5 positives in our favor and 5 variables that will drive the outcomes. What is in our favor 1) Jordan Price is a guy who can fill up a stat sheet. These guys don't come around every day. It's a nice luxury provided we don't rely on it too much to our detriment. 2) Amar has three years of playing experience. That is a big plus. He generally was platooned with KL last year and that is something Duren never had to worry about. He never had to be afraid of a hook if he made a mistake. This freedom and another year of maturity will really help Amar and I think he will have a breakout year for us. 3. We played over the summer a lot and in Europe. That will help this team considerably. 4. We have a passing forward in Yvgen who also can shoot and break his man down one on one when the D spreads out. That is the classic triple threat that we have not seen much of. This will be exciting to see unfold. 5. We have athletic guards who can play up tempo on D and create runout easy baskets at a higher rate than in the last two years. I think this can get us the + 4 or 6 delta we need to win close games. This doesn't mean we run (a la Westhead) it just means we can get a leg up on uncontested or lightly contested hoops which will be a big plus. Variables 1. As noted above we have to work towards scoring balance. JP, CR and JS won't be Shy when it comes to shooting. The key is to work it to the best shot and emphasize wins over stats. That is a mindset that should be emphasized. 2. Depth. If Dusan and Karl can play good D and give us 10 mpg, that would be a huge plus. 3. Front court inexperience. I think Yvgen and Tony are capable if being good A10 front men. Proving it on the floor will be a different thing. Having Rohan as a good guide and leader will be critical especially if Rohan is getting less minutes than his mentees. Rohan's leadership here will be key. 4. Cleon confidence. When it is there, he is tough to beat. When it wavers, he plays sub par. With a year under his belt and G presumably no longer in his face or head, I can see the confidence taking over. Having it in big matchup games will be a key to our success. 5. The Johnnie factor. Many here wanted to see JS play more last year. This year will be a big Opp. I think he will break through but we have to be patient if his success is choppy at times. He will make a big okay and then get beat on D. That can happen. The key will be winning more 50-50 situations as the season progresses. I have faith. I think he is better in D than he gets credit for and live his confidence on offense. I can see teams calling a quick TO after we hit 4 3s from JP, CR, YS and JS. We can be that lethal. Johnnie's stroke will be a key. I'd like to see this potential become a reality. Please weigh in fellas |
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Oct 14, 2015 8:32:44 GMT -5
- I'm not as big on Stukes. I think Shuler is the key (Stukes can be solid at best, Shuler can be spectacular).
- Agree G needs to stay out of Cleon's face.
- I'm afraid we are gonna get slaughtered on the boards at both ends. I hope Tony Washington can help on this, but I'm not sure at all. Rohan will try hard, but be overwhelmed by height and talent. Let's hope Yvgen has something here or it's deep trouble.
- If Cleon/Shuler/Yvgen hit a few early, it'll free up Price. Otherwise - it is more or less a replay of last year (outside of JW & SZ). Price simply will have to be "on" to have a chance.
- Maybe the greatest potential is a vastly improved backcourt and hopefully a big upgrade in outside shooting. When the rotation is Price/Roberts/Shuler/Yvgen plus TW, we simply have the potential to outscore the opponent rendering the rebounding situation much less meaningful.
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Post by a10champion15 on Oct 14, 2015 9:08:15 GMT -5
One thing I will say is in terms of the A10 big men are overrated in this conference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 9:18:13 GMT -5
I really have no idea what to expect this season, but I'm cautiously optimistic mainly because of the switch to a guard and movement oriented offense. The big question mark is on the interior, but the good news is that none of them are going to be counted on to put up big scoring numbers, so they can exert most of their energy on defense and rebounding. But they can't do it alone and it will be critical that the guards help out on the boards. There is certainly plenty of size on the guard line with Jordan and Cleon in the game together, and Amar is not afraid to crash the boards either. Plus you also have Karl and Dusan who are a legitimate 6'5".
The best rebounding teams during G's time here were during the Rodney Green years, with a bunch of mid-sized guys who gang-rebounded. This team will have to do the same thing. If the guards buy into hitting the boards, I think the team will be okay.
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Post by explorer88 on Oct 14, 2015 9:28:59 GMT -5
I think Stukes and rebounding are key of us this year. We need Amar to take a giant step forward. I think Shuler has brass balls which is so important but needs to get stronger. We need more production at the point guard position. Need to shoot better both from the field and line as well as protect the ball better.
I agree with 69 that Washington and Rohan need to rebound better than they have shown in their limited time. If not we will be giving up many second change points and not getting second chance opportunities. That will drive our FG% down and our FG% defense up which is not good.
I have a good feeling about Yevgen. With good health I think he is going to be a very good player.
Interested to see how we run the offense now that the dump it into the low post is not the first option any longer.
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Post by MisterD on Oct 14, 2015 10:06:13 GMT -5
Prediction: We'll see atleast one transfer before league play. With 75+ minutes coming from transfers and maybe 15 graduating (Rohan), some guys who see serious run this year won't be next year and I'm pretty sure I'm not the first to figure that out
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Post by a10champion15 on Oct 14, 2015 12:17:08 GMT -5
Prediction: We'll see atleast one transfer before league play. With 75+ minutes coming from transfers and maybe 15 graduating (Rohan), some guys who see serious run this year won't be next year and I'm pretty sure I'm not the first to figure that out Could very well be right. Wouldn't be too concerned about it as long as it isn't a starter. At least on paper our roster is crazy good next year. |
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On how we get 20+ wins, here are my .02. Feel free to debate at length.