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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:50:35 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: Greetings from the GOLA! Here for La Salle practice. Explorers look like a middle of the pack A 10 team.
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:51:53 GMT -5
He visited Villanova yesterday and spoke highly of them. I'll keep this updated with his thoughts
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:54:08 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: La Salle looks like it could finish anywhere from 5-12 in the Atantic 10. Explorers will be in a lot of tie games with 4 mins to play.
May want to spend some time this offseason making sure G and Price are on the same page in these situations. Can't have a repeat of moments last year
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:54:27 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: The biggest difference in La Salle this year versus last? Chemical makeup. Explorers will play smaller and quicker this season. Think 4G.
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:54:53 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: Early prediction on La Salle's starting five --- Amar Stukes, Jordan Price, Cleon Roberts, Yevgen Sakhniuk, Tony Washington....
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:56:23 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: The guy who really needs to take a step forward for La Salle in 15-16? Amar Stukes. Noticeably more accurate shooting the ball from deep.
@jonrothstein: So much Scott Machado in Amar Stukes....
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:57:14 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: If I was betting on a breakout guy from La Salle, it'd be Tony Washington. 6-10 big man has completely changed his body. Should start.
Now this is very encouraging
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:57:46 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: Under-the-radar A 10 guard: La Salle's Johnnie Shuler. Plays with great pace and purpose. Should excel for La Salle in reserve. QUICK.
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Post by stlexplorer on Jul 2, 2015 12:59:23 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: La Salle needs to re-lay its foundation this season. Could be very tough in 16-17. Sitting out this year: B.J. Johnson and Pookie Powell.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 2, 2015 16:16:15 GMT -5
Sooo ... being honest, this is a hope for the best year with 2016-17 being the next big one. If Washington makes a leap, that would be HUGE for us long term.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jul 2, 2015 20:34:40 GMT -5
This team making the NIT would be huge for the 16-17 season. Rothstein is dead on when he says this is the year to lay the foundation of success. We lose no one of consequence after this season and gain some great talent
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Post by explorerman on Jul 8, 2015 16:20:45 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: If I was betting on a breakout guy from La Salle, it'd be Tony Washington. 6-10 big man has completely changed his body. Should start. Now this is very encouraging I heard during last season he not only held up against Zack, he actually was able to take advantage of his athleticism and get the best of Zack on numerous occasions.. I am glad that Rothstein is confirming what I have been hearing.. I am NOT as worried in Washington as maybe the rest... I believe when we go 4G, Washington's skill set will be maximized... Same with Yevgen.. Jerrell and Steve were great for us.. First class humans and I hope they find themselves in great spots in whatever they choose... But you couldn't play a true spread or 4G offense because their range was restricted to about 10 feet from the basket.. I don't mean it to be derogatory but it is reality that the modern offense just didn't fit their skill sets... I am excited to see Yevgen and Tony, officially get some extended play... I was one of the first on Yevgen's bandwagon so hopefully he performs or I will look like a horse's a_s... But I am completely comfortable that he will.. I will gladly take a smart passer that puts up 12 points per game with 7 rebounds per game and has the ability to open the court a little more, while shooting at a high percentage... People seem to be a little more pessimistic on this season and I would rather air on the side of caution but I think this team will surprise.. Especially if we can get more out of the 1 spot (specifically shooting) and allowing Roberts to make plays without the feeling that he will get pulled and berated.. If Rothstein believe that Stukes will be the starting 1, then his shot must be remarkably improved.. We (or any D1 offense) can't have the black hole that we had in the 1 spot last year.. It just cripples an offense.. |
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Post by mookie on Jul 8, 2015 17:03:40 GMT -5
I think people are conditioned to expect the worse when there are a lot of new "unproven" pieces, especially when two pieces that left were really good. But as you mentioned, they didn't exactly fit the style of play that G wanted, yet G kept trotting them out their together. I'm sure G had his reasons and they're probably very good reasons, but we may be better positioned to be more successful with the 2 new "big men". I'm looking forward to next season and at the least, a .500 season. If 1 or even 2 players have breakout seasons, I can't imagine this team being not being better than .500. Already we have 3 candidates for breakout seasons in Stukes/Shuler/Washington.
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Post by calidelphia on Jul 8, 2015 18:21:07 GMT -5
We got a really special player in Price. He could average 20+ a game this year. With a player like him you just can't count a team out but if we have good role players and one or two decent options around him playing well we could have a nice season. That said, there is so much changing its hard to say we would end up anywhere but middle of the pack without sounding like your going out on a ledge.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 8, 2015 18:30:17 GMT -5
We got a really special player in Price. He could average 20+ a game this year. With a player like him you just can't count a team out but if we have good role players and one or two decent options around him playing well we could have a nice season. That said, there is so much changing its hard to say we would end up anywhere but middle of the pack without sounding like your going out on a ledge. Exactly. We go as far as Jordan Price takes us. Having 4 players on the floor at a time who can shoot whether it is 4 guards or 3 guards and Sahkniuk/Rohan is only going to help his efficiency as well as our other guards. Bottom line, Shuler got to contribute significantly. Stukes outside shot has to have taken a step forward. Sahkniuk needs to be a Cline/Halil type and Washington has to hold down the front court. |
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Post by broderickpresident on Jul 8, 2015 19:26:00 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: If I was betting on a breakout guy from La Salle, it'd be Tony Washington. 6-10 big man has completely changed his body. Should start. Now this is very encouraging Jerrell and Steve were great for us.. First class humans and I hope they find themselves in great spots in whatever they choose... But you couldn't play a true spread or 4G offense because their range was restricted to about 10 feet from the basket.. I don't mean it to be derogatory but it is reality that the modern offense just didn't fit their skill sets... Ridiculous. SZ & JW weren't the problem with the 3 or 4 G offense last season. The 3 or 4 guards were. The bigs fit perfectly when we had higher level perimeter play and shooting in '12-13. |
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 8, 2015 20:00:34 GMT -5
I don't usually agree with explorerman much but he is right. Having Wright and Zack on the floor together neither of which have a shot didn't help the guards. We played a big bulk of the season in 2012 2013 in a 4 guard line up. Ramon was our star and he got help from Duren, Mills, Garland etc. and having Wright up front was a great line up.
Last year, most of our best moments were when we played in a 4 guard set mainly when Price and Roberts had strong games.
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Post by calsufan on Jul 8, 2015 21:21:13 GMT -5
@jonrothstein: If I was betting on a breakout guy from La Salle, it'd be Tony Washington. 6-10 big man has completely changed his body. Should start. Now this is very encouraging I heard during last season he not only held up against Zack, he actually was able to take advantage of his athleticism and get the best of Zack on numerous occasions.. I am glad that Rothstein is confirming what I have been hearing.. I am NOT as worried in Washington as maybe the rest... I believe when we go 4G, Washington's skill set will be maximized... Same with Yevgen.. Jerrell and Steve were great for us.. First class humans and I hope they find themselves in great spots in whatever they choose... But you couldn't play a true spread or 4G offense because their range was restricted to about 10 feet from the basket.. I don't mean it to be derogatory but it is reality that the modern offense just didn't fit their skill sets... I am excited to see Yevgen and Tony, officially get some extended play... I was one of the first on Yevgen's bandwagon so hopefully he performs or I will look like a horse's a_s... But I am completely comfortable that he will.. I will gladly take a smart passer that puts up 12 points per game with 7 rebounds per game and has the ability to open the court a little more, while shooting at a high percentage... People seem to be a little more pessimistic on this season and I would rather air on the side of caution but I think this team will surprise.. Especially if we can get more out of the 1 spot (specifically shooting) and allowing Roberts to make plays without the feeling that he will get pulled and berated.. If Rothstein believe that Stukes will be the starting 1, then his shot must be remarkably improved.. We (or any D1 offense) can't have the black hole that we had in the 1 spot last year.. It just cripples an offense.. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this about Washington. I don't care if his body has transformed. He had extremely limited minutes last year and did not show that much. For all intents and purposes, he has not played against D-1 talent. It will be a steep learning curve for him. I think he will be learning on the job and we shouldn't expect too much from him in his first season. |
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Post by baskets123 on Jul 8, 2015 21:38:32 GMT -5
I heard during last season he not only held up against Zack, he actually was able to take advantage of his athleticism and get the best of Zack on numerous occasions.. I am glad that Rothstein is confirming what I have been hearing.. I am NOT as worried in Washington as maybe the rest... I believe when we go 4G, Washington's skill set will be maximized... Same with Yevgen.. Jerrell and Steve were great for us.. First class humans and I hope they find themselves in great spots in whatever they choose... But you couldn't play a true spread or 4G offense because their range was restricted to about 10 feet from the basket.. I don't mean it to be derogatory but it is reality that the modern offense just didn't fit their skill sets... I am excited to see Yevgen and Tony, officially get some extended play... I was one of the first on Yevgen's bandwagon so hopefully he performs or I will look like a horse's a_s... But I am completely comfortable that he will.. I will gladly take a smart passer that puts up 12 points per game with 7 rebounds per game and has the ability to open the court a little more, while shooting at a high percentage... People seem to be a little more pessimistic on this season and I would rather air on the side of caution but I think this team will surprise.. Especially if we can get more out of the 1 spot (specifically shooting) and allowing Roberts to make plays without the feeling that he will get pulled and berated.. If Rothstein believe that Stukes will be the starting 1, then his shot must be remarkably improved.. We (or any D1 offense) can't have the black hole that we had in the 1 spot last year.. It just cripples an offense.. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this about Washington. I don't care if his body has transformed. He had extremely limited minutes last year and did not show that much. For all intents and purposes, he has not played against D-1 talent. It will be a steep learning curve for him. I think he will be learning on the job and we shouldn't expect too much from him in his first season. Yeah when you saw him out there last year he looked to soft.If he gets meaner he will be a good backup next year and to continue to work and be a good player by his career at La Salle is done |
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Post by explorerman on Jul 9, 2015 8:41:31 GMT -5
I heard during last season he not only held up against Zack, he actually was able to take advantage of his athleticism and get the best of Zack on numerous occasions.. I am glad that Rothstein is confirming what I have been hearing.. I am NOT as worried in Washington as maybe the rest... I believe when we go 4G, Washington's skill set will be maximized... Same with Yevgen.. Jerrell and Steve were great for us.. First class humans and I hope they find themselves in great spots in whatever they choose... But you couldn't play a true spread or 4G offense because their range was restricted to about 10 feet from the basket.. I don't mean it to be derogatory but it is reality that the modern offense just didn't fit their skill sets... I am excited to see Yevgen and Tony, officially get some extended play... I was one of the first on Yevgen's bandwagon so hopefully he performs or I will look like a horse's a_s... But I am completely comfortable that he will.. I will gladly take a smart passer that puts up 12 points per game with 7 rebounds per game and has the ability to open the court a little more, while shooting at a high percentage... People seem to be a little more pessimistic on this season and I would rather air on the side of caution but I think this team will surprise.. Especially if we can get more out of the 1 spot (specifically shooting) and allowing Roberts to make plays without the feeling that he will get pulled and berated.. If Rothstein believe that Stukes will be the starting 1, then his shot must be remarkably improved.. We (or any D1 offense) can't have the black hole that we had in the 1 spot last year.. It just cripples an offense.. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this about Washington. I don't care if his body has transformed. He had extremely limited minutes last year and did not show that much. For all intents and purposes, he has not played against D-1 talent. It will be a steep learning curve for him. I think he will be learning on the job and we shouldn't expect too much from him in his first season. What aren't you buying? He isn't the athlete? He doesn't have the capabilities? Are you basing your opinion off of G not playing him much? People on the 2nd floor are genuinely excited about him that is all I can say... |
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Post by jellybean on Jul 9, 2015 9:03:33 GMT -5
The problem last year was we had few shooters and the ones we had shot poorly. That hurt Steve and Jerrell.
Also we will play four guards and one big a lot this year BUT not exclusively. Look for Tony and Yevgen to be on the court a lot together (if they are healthy and not in foul trouble).
Yes, Jermaine Davis was still on campus for the second semester. He did not leave school. What that means for the future is to be determined I guess.
Telling tweet from Jon Rothstein was him listing the starting five for next year and Lewis was not one of the starting five. Stukes was the step up player for this year.
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Post by MisterD on Jul 9, 2015 10:41:24 GMT -5
I want to see our backcourt this season in a non-high-post-slow-down-zzzzzzz offense before I say they were the issue. I'd rather lean towards the positive view that our frontcourt and backcourt were just a bad match. It happens.
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Post by calsufan on Jul 9, 2015 11:35:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this about Washington. I don't care if his body has transformed. He had extremely limited minutes last year and did not show that much. For all intents and purposes, he has not played against D-1 talent. It will be a steep learning curve for him. I think he will be learning on the job and we shouldn't expect too much from him in his first season. What aren't you buying? He isn't the athlete? He doesn't have the capabilities? Are you basing your opinion off of G not playing him much? People on the 2nd floor are genuinely excited about him that is all I can say... I think my post explained exactly why I'm not buying it. |
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Post by MisterD on Jul 9, 2015 12:07:48 GMT -5
It seems a bit tough to say "he hasn't played against D1 talent" when he's played against D1 talent in practice for 2 years. That's gotta be like 90th percentile experience for a first year contributor.
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 9, 2015 12:08:19 GMT -5
What aren't you buying? He isn't the athlete? He doesn't have the capabilities? Are you basing your opinion off of G not playing him much? People on the 2nd floor are genuinely excited about him that is all I can say... I think my post explained exactly why I'm not buying it. Amen. I expect Washington to struggle next year which is only natural. You don't come into major college basketball from high school or sitting out your freshman year and make a major impact very often. History proves otherwise. |
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Post by luhoopsfan on Jul 9, 2015 15:31:50 GMT -5
How many years of eligibility does he have left ?
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Post by MisterD on Jul 9, 2015 15:32:47 GMT -5
T-Wash? Should have 3 including this year. Redshirt, bench year, so RS-Soph.
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 10, 2015 9:52:28 GMT -5
At the same time Tony been practicing for awhile along side two good big men, his rating out of HS was decent and he is familiar with the system. Obviously there going to be a learning curve and I am sure he will have more than a couple bad games but there is a chance he very valuable front court piece.
I am usually really skeptical about these players coming in but Jon Roth at times knows what he is talking about. If he lists Tony Washington as a starter and a breakout player I'll take that as a good sign. Plus G was not giving up Zack and Wright playing time for Tony. Tony knew that wasn't happening. Jon Roth feedback on supports Josh Verlin high praises for him as well a few months ago and he probably a little more familiar with the team.
Kendall Pollard, Kevin Larsen and Sengfelder came into the league with limited experience up front and had good seasons. Different types of front court pieces but you get the picture.
The guy I am more concerned about is Sakhniuk. More concerned about the euro adjustment to NCAA D1 basketball.
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Post by explorer88 on Jul 10, 2015 10:06:21 GMT -5
At the same time Tony been practicing for awhile along side two good big men, his rating out of HS was decent and he is familiar with the system. Obviously there going to be a learning curve and I am sure he will have more than a couple bad games but there is a chance he very valuable front court piece. I am usually really skeptical about these players coming in but Jon Roth at times knows what he is talking about. If he lists Tony Washington as a starter and a breakout player I'll take that as a good sign. Plus G was not giving up Zack and Wright playing time for Tony. Tony knew that wasn't happening. Jon Roth feedback on supports Josh Verlin high praises for him as well a few months ago and he probably a little more familiar with the team. Kendall Pollard, Kevin Larsen and Sengfelder came into the league with limited experience up front and had good seasons. Different types of front court pieces but you get the picture. The guy I am more concerned about is Sakhniuk. More concerned about the euro adjustment to NCAA D1 basketball. All of those players you mentioned have far superior hands compared to Washington from what we saw in his limited minutes. Kendall Pollard also is a flat-out warrior. I never saw that from Washington at any time last year.. I don't think those guys are a fair comparison. I hope Washington is the real deal but I have to see it to believe it. |
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Post by a10champion15 on Jul 10, 2015 10:37:24 GMT -5
As I said different types of players with different skill sets. Kendall Pollard was not good his freshmen year putting it nicely. When he got put in the driver seat once Robinson and Scott were kicked off the team he exceled and improved throughout the season.
Also, clearly there will be a learning curve but to think he can't put up numbers similar to Kevin Larsen freshmen season or even better I think is unfair.
I just don't think you can put anymore value on the limited time we saw him play as opposed to what Jon Roth and Verlin think. Falls somewhere in the middle.
I am not hyping him up just saying he could be a much better player as opposed to what we say in limited time last season.
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