Post by explorer95 on Nov 18, 2012 15:55:37 GMT -5
Coqui you are right on the money. This loss has Dr G's MO all over it. We were out hustled and out coached. The adjustments taken were either not executed or planned poorly. CCSU executed in a way Dr G teams rarely do. The fact is is so early is scary. How bad can this team be at times and how truly competitive are we ?
Simply no excuse for this loss. We are so undisciplined. G gives Galloway too much freedom. He is a great athlete but continues to display poor basketball instincts. I also feel that in my hope to see the explorers regain some relevance that I over valued our talent. I could just cry.
Post by lasallescreamer on Nov 18, 2012 16:13:08 GMT -5
Whether a team has the best or the worst coach, hustle and pride should come from within. When I was young, and playing pickup BB at Tarken or Maxies, me and the other guys routinely dove on cement for loose balls and defense was played w enthusiasm-usually to a bloody end! Not saying that Coach is doing great job-just that players must demonstrate intestinal fortitude, i.e. LASALLE PRIDE! I do not think that we have overestimated the talent but rather the talent has underestimated and not appreciated the effort that must be made to win games-or at least, that they must come w effort each and every game.Lets hope this does not happen again. Keep the faith!We fight hard We fight well When we fight We fight Like L-A-S-A-l-L-E LASALLE!
I don't fault the effort one bit. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who had a bad game. There are some faults -- Ramon has a quick trigger, DJ doesn't have a trigger, etc. but we lost this because we got out gameplanned.
They played hard and had a lot of fight in them. There wasn't any ball-stalling, save for when it got late in the shot clock but that wasn't even all that much.
Their guards killed us. Period. They're good guards but not A-10 guards. They ran the same set constantly. They tucked Vinales in the corner and had him come off a screen from their big man. The ball got to Vinales. He'd make a pump fake or two, get in the lane and hit a mid-range shot. Or he'd hit the big cutting. Or he'd kick it out to the other guard.
We never adjusted to that. Not once did we have Jerrell and Steve on the court at the same time. Not once. So, we'd leave either one of those in no-man's land. It's an easy fix, though. If you have a second big on the court, he can rotate and prevent the cut which means your first big doesn't have to give up the mid-range shot.
We didn't do anything to make them change what they did. No traps, no zone, etc. I think man-to-man is the way to go but if it's not working at least do something to change it up. They threw in a 1-3-1 of all things for a little bit that we didn't do anything off of until Ramon's dunk. But that was 3-4 possessions right there.
Screamer, while I agree that the kids should work hard simply because that is how every game should be played, I do not fully excuse G. Most would agree that G is not a good X&O guy. If he can't get them to play hard then other than being a terrific recruiter, what is his role? I can never quite figure out what we are trying to run on offense and our inbounds plays rarely produce a basket. G should have added an X&O assistant years ago but for some reason, he refuses to do so. His teams also rarely play hard consistently(see Drexel for example). Bruiser has his critics but his kids play hard. How many more games would we have won if we played consistently hard. Have you ever heard an opposing coach, player or fan remark that they hate to play us . If G doesn't change his approach, I'm afraid that this is as good as it gets.
Post by lasallescreamer on Nov 18, 2012 18:16:20 GMT -5
Either we were out-hustled or out talented or out-coached.I know wse have superior talent.Even if out coached should still win this game- thus, were we out-hustled? Maybe thats unfair or harsh but clearly were outplayed. Maybe the hustle is there but on court discipline is not. Somebody better figure it out.
This loss reminds me of terrible nightmares about Mike St. John, J. Williams, Ruben G and stuff like that.
I thought we had advanced to the point where we wouldn't even schedule CCSU any more, much less lose to them at home.
This is my concern. We thought we were at the point where we were beyond scheduling teams like CCSU and here we are losing to them at home after a week off. No excuses just a crappy loss. Gotta rebound quickly and string together a bunch of wins.
Post by theneumann64 on Nov 18, 2012 20:21:21 GMT -5
misterd, I'm generally in agreement with you on most things, and people declaring the season is over are either a)twits or b) just trolling for a reaction, but this was a bad loss. To play like that, at home, after 8 days off, is just not acceptable. It doesn't mean the season is lost or the coach should be fired, but this was not one you just shrug off.
Agreed with those who view this loss as unacceptable. If G can't win with Galloway as a Senior this year, then he won't be able to win down the road. I said the same thing in 2009 when Rodney Green was a Senior but everyone chalked that year up to injuries. For some perspective on this loss:
From CSN Philly:
La Salle made the biggest statement of the season's first week. On the surface, a seven-point home win over Delaware doesn't seem all that impressive. But take into consideration what Delaware has done since that loss, beating Penn by 15 and winning at Virginia to advance to the semifinals of the Preseason NIT. La Salle's talented cast of perimeter players grabbed most of the headlines coming into the season, but big men Jerrell Wright and Steve Zack could end up taking the Explorers to the next level. Wright had 14 points and 10 rebounds, while Zack scored a career-high 19 points and added eight boards.
La Salle managed to pull off that Delaware win despite the fact that its two best players, Tyreek Duren and Ramon Galloway, combined to shoot 3 of 17 from the floor. That shouldn't come as good news to the rest of the city and A-10. Dr. John Giannini's club is deep and balanced, and will barely break a sweat against Central Connecticut State.
A bad loss to bad team. Especially given the pre-season enthusiasm and the fact that this is game #2.
A lot can happen between now and March, but this is not the same as losing to a bad Big Ten team. I felt if this team had any kind of talent at all and considering that Villanova is supposed to be "down" this year, they should have walked out of November 5-0. Central Connecticut is game that a solid team should be able to throw their jerseys on the court and win the game.
I saw the game live with my son. They look disjointed and ill prepared whereas CCSU looked disciplined and well coached. It was a major league disappointment and the coach and the players all had a hand in this debacle. Let's hope it's the last, really terrible game they play this year.
I'm not saying it isn't a bad loss, but every loss is treated the same way. We could lose to #1 and there would still be this whining; lose by 5 and we choked away and opportunity, lose by 20 and we proved we can't compete. There's only like 5 unique narratives and they cease being unique after enough years.
Sure, and because of that, G should have already been fired a dozen times. And if that really happened, we be on coach #12 since Hahn or undefeated over several years.
(My point: This is predictable and tiring. Sometimes non-elite teams lose to even less elite teams. That's how it goes. Maybe I'd be less bitchy if the good times were treated as good as the bad times are treated bad. (And first person to cry "there are no good times" proves my point.))
Post by victoriouslasalle on Nov 18, 2012 23:33:22 GMT -5
At the end of game interview Harris Adler said something like.... they threw something different at us..... then the way they played us last year. He was responding to the point made that our D could not stop their guards. I sure hope we consult some basketball wizard out there to learn how to address the tactic they used because we are likely to see this again.
Without question a bad loss and it worries me. Haven't seen a game at TGA yet but based on the radio broadcast and reporting, I was uncomfortable with the way the Delaware game played out. It was a revenge game that we didn't really ever control. Then Ramon's lack of discipline in taking unnecessary fouls (even recognizing his hip injury) plus Ty's below average showing, caused concern. Now this debacle against an inferior team. Counting the Carelton exhibition game, we haven't played a consistent or good game yet. I'm still 100% behind the team but things need to improve quickly with the coaching staff and players.
We'll have to come out very sharp against Hartford and put up a strong performance. We are entering a tough part of our schedule after Hartford. A Tim Fraizerless PSU and Rider should be wins. Lindsey Nurideen has looked good for Rider.
I have always been a supporter of G and respect what he has done for the program but I think he needs to acknowledge his own weaknesses and get some help. I don't think he should be fired but I think it's clear that he needs some help. Coach Adler's post game comments simply confirm this. Apparently there was no one on the bench who could make the necessary adjustments. I find this difficult to accept at a Division 1 program. This is not a rant but more of a plea for G to get some help. I don't want anyone to lose their job, just find some retired coach to help him where he needs it. As to our reaction to this loss, I don't find it inappropriate. It is this type of loss that keeps us on page 6 of the sports pages and off TV. There is no excuse for this loss and the explanation offered by Coach Adler just adds to my concerns.