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Post by DE-LSU84 on Dec 9, 2013 15:30:45 GMT -5
I ask this question to spark some serious and intelligent debate between now and Sunday. Due to our below average perimeter shooting I beleive we need a herculean defensive performance to slow down and potential beat Nova. With that in mind, what matchups would you use to defend Bell, Pinkston and co.?
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Post by mookie on Dec 9, 2013 15:33:31 GMT -5
best defense is a good offense...attack attack attack. screens and pick and rolls to engage the guards and try to force fouls. utilize all the guards we have with full court pressure...too bad Duren is hurt
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Post by DE-LSU84 on Dec 9, 2013 16:05:50 GMT -5
Mookie, first things first, Duren is not hurt. He is hurting and playing in pain. My source within the athletic department stated he has had this all season and he has not missed one game. A week of rest can only help. Second, I was looking more for individual match ups when Nova is in the half court set.
DJ guards Bell Wright guards Ochefu Zack guards Pinkston Mills guards Hillard Duren guards Archie what ever his name is.
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Post by mookie on Dec 9, 2013 16:20:27 GMT -5
If he is hurting, then he is hurt...
Injured is a different story...nobody said injured.
But as far as matchups go, i said press so it's position for position and try to force them out of their game rather than defend their game.
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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 9, 2013 16:27:23 GMT -5
Let it fly. G is not going to out coach Wright. We are not going to beat them playing team basketball because they are the better team and playing much better as a team. I say we tell the guys to play tough D and let the open shots fly. Remember the first half of KState? We were letting them rip. Could this be our break out game? My Spider senses are tingling...
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Post by mookie on Dec 9, 2013 16:49:56 GMT -5
I hope your spidersenses are right...that would be awesome if they're able to upset 'Nova and just take off from there...
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Post by a10champion15 on Dec 9, 2013 17:03:00 GMT -5
Mookie, first things first, Duren is not hurt. He is hurting and playing in pain. My source within the athletic department stated he has had this all season and he has not missed one game. A week of rest can only help. Second, I was looking more for individual match ups when Nova is in the half court set. DJ guards Bell Wright guards Ochefu Zack guards Pinkston Mills guards Hillard Duren guards Archie what ever his name is. I watched a lot of Nova this year because half of my family are Nova alumni. They are very good. Great balance on their team with some solid D and many offensive weapons. Wright is an excellent coach. You should hear how much crap they talked on him last year. Unbelievable, I like G and all but I would trade for Jay any day. I think that would work well delsu. Ochefu isn't that good and Wright isn't the best defender. Zack is going to have to handle Pinkston and thats a lot to ask for. Zack playing well but Pinkston man HE IS GOOD. DJ going to be challenged against Bell. We also are going to have to watch their perimeter threats with Hillard, Archie and Ennis. Archie hasn't been shooting well from the perimeter and takes bad shots sometimes but comes through in the clutch. Mills I feel could limit Hilliard from the three. Lewis can handle Ennis, transfer against transfer. A few things we have to do IF we can make shots...
1. Grab rebounds 2. Create turnovers 3. Guard the perimeter 4. Get their bigs in foul trouble
We have a chance but we have to play OUR BEST. The positive is Nova bound to lose eventually it is hard to maintain that level of play throughout the season. Hopefully their time has come. LETS GO!!!
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Post by explorer88 on Dec 9, 2013 19:59:31 GMT -5
No way Zack can guard Pinkston IMO.
I think La Salle can score in the post but Nova will score in the post and perimeter. That means La Salle must shoot the 3 very efficiently to keep up. A big if in my mind.
Finally we have to Shoot free throws well because Nova will get to the Line and score there.
So a perfect storm of sorts has to happen for us. Say some prayers and hope God is an Explorer Fan Sunday.
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Post by 1stflooredwards on Dec 9, 2013 20:41:50 GMT -5
best defense is a good offense...attack attack attack. screens and pick and rolls to engage the guards and try to force fouls. utilize all the guards we have with full court pressure...too bad Duren is hurt Would love to see this but again, don't see it happening. For some reason, even with the guard heavy team, G doesn't seem to like to press a lot.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Dec 9, 2013 21:13:18 GMT -5
Z cannot guard Pinkston and asking him to is unfair to him. No real good answer as D matchups are not favorable. Obviously, need to go back to last year on tape and see what worked against them. Might be a game where Rohan has to play 20 solid min. of D.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 9, 2013 22:33:59 GMT -5
I'd guard Villanova by immediately cutting seven sports and expecting that money to change things.
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Post by stlexplorer on Dec 10, 2013 1:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by DE-LSU84 on Dec 10, 2013 10:30:34 GMT -5
Ok now, this is the type of debate I look forward too. I agree that Zack can't guard Pinkston, but he is the lesser of two evils. I don't want Wright getting into foul trouble trying to guard Pinkston. With Villanova's outside shooting ability, would it make sense to play some sort of zone? I realize that Bell is shooting well from 3 but zone does allow us to compete on the boards. Let me hear your thoughts.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 10, 2013 11:36:27 GMT -5
If we get owned on the boards, you lose. If we get owned from three, you lose. If you put a gun to my head, I'd guess Giannini is going to roll a zone to help us on the boards. He's not ignorant to the fact that we couldn't guard the permitter against any other team this year. Focusing on a permitter-driven defense probably wouldn't help us a ton, at least zone helps us down low. Everything else Giannini has done this year has centered around Jerrell and Steve, I don't expect him to stop believing now.
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Post by lasallescreamer on Dec 10, 2013 18:37:13 GMT -5
Opening in a zone would be a disaster. At the start of a game, their building is hopping. We won last year; they are 9-0 and will want revenge. If they feed off that and hit a quick 3-4 3s it will set tone for long nite. Giving up 2s down low makes them work harder for points and makes it more difficult to jump to a quick, imposing lead.I like going zone for a few possessions in middle of a half-just to give D a different look. Thus, pressure their guards on perimeter; take away the 3 and rotate Rohan in and out to give JW and Z help on D. Too, we must have a very good nite on O or the D will not matter.Must come out hitting shots.We have been saying this since game 1. Time to do it. Screamer is moderately confidant. I know we can do it-now we just gotta do it. Lets Go Explorers!
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Post by durenduren on Dec 10, 2013 20:27:59 GMT -5
Someone else said it elsewhere, but this team needs to come out firing on all cylinders on both sides of the ball immediately or we'll see a repeat of SJU-Nova
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Post by lasallerules1978 on Dec 10, 2013 21:20:42 GMT -5
I don't see how we can get a w on Sunday. I would say we need to play zone and hope Nova goes cold from deep and LSU catches fire. Obviously anything can happen, but I don't see it with the way the teams are currently playing.
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Post by a10champion15 on Dec 10, 2013 21:23:21 GMT -5
I refuse to believe we are as bad as SJU. They had a nice showing against Creighton but besides that they aren't good.
I am really hoping for this win, would completely turn our season around if we beat them and win out the rest of our non conference schedule.
Our conference schedule is perfect we just need to capitalize on non conference opportunities. THIS IS IT.
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Post by 23won on Dec 11, 2013 9:55:37 GMT -5
1) I think we need an offensive and defensive game plan, BUT G needs to make adjustments during the game because Wright is a good coach and will adjust (whereas G has a tendency to stick to a one dimensional Andy Reid approach). G is a good coach but needs to approach this like a chess match, not like a hard wired we coach for this only approach.
2) On the defensive front, we need to have Rohan getting minutes on Pinkston because he is athletic and can keep our bigs from getting excessive fouls guarding Pinkston. I'm not worried about Ochefu too much, but I am worried about Jenkins having a coming out party, so we have to pay attention there and keep him covered.
3) On the man front, I'd play Tryeek on Ryan A, Sam on Ennnis/Bell and DJ on Hilliard/Bell
4) If they overload with a lineup of 3-heavy players at once (Bell, Hart, Hilliard) we may need to man up with a lineup of Mills, DJ and Lewis or alternate in a zone package
Offensively, we should push the pace and tempo as we have played better in that scheme and because our half court offense has been stagnant and poor from the 3 ball zone against less athletic defenders, I can't imagine we'd fare better in half court sets against Nova.
Compared to Joes, which had only one guard that could push pace (Bembry is a half court guy), we have Tyrone, Mills, Lewis, Reek who can push pace from multiple angles.
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Post by durenduren on Dec 11, 2013 10:07:09 GMT -5
I refuse to believe we are as bad as SJU. They had a nice showing against Creighton but besides that they aren't good. Not saying they're good, but what has this Explos team shown you that says we're any less average than them? Sure, they're lineup is a total mess in the back court. Bembry is the lone bright spot, yeah. And we might have all these guys that can push the pace and handle the ball. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE DOING THAT. Our team is good on paper, and has proven thus far to be very average on the court. Nova gets cold from three, we magically get hot, and I'm taking you all out for beers. I believe, but let's not ignore that this squad has been a bigger train wreck than a Friday night drinking with the Jersey Shore cast.
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Post by mookie on Dec 11, 2013 10:37:16 GMT -5
1) I think we need an offensive and defensive game plan, BUT G needs to make adjustments during the game because Wright is a good coach and will adjust (whereas G has a tendency to stick to a one dimensional Andy Reid approach). G is a good coach but needs to approach this like a chess match, not like a hard wired we coach for this only approach. 2) On the defensive front, we need to have Rohan getting minutes on Pinkston because he is athletic and can keep our bigs from getting excessive fouls guarding Pinkston. I'm not worried about Ochefu too much, but I am worried about Jenkins having a coming out party, so we have to pay attention there and keep him covered. 3) On the man front, I'd play Tryeek on Ryan A, Sam on Ennnis/Bell and DJ on Hilliard/Bell 4) If they overload with a lineup of 3-heavy players at once (Bell, Hart, Hilliard) we may need to man up with a lineup of Mills, DJ and Lewis or alternate in a zone package Offensively, we should push the pace and tempo as we have played better in that scheme and because our half court offense has been stagnant and poor from the 3 ball zone against less athletic defenders, I can't imagine we'd fare better in half court sets against Nova. Compared to Joes, which had only one guard that could push pace (Bembry is a half court guy), we have Tyrone, Mills, Lewis, Reek who can push pace from multiple angles. How much time are you talking about for Rohan on Pinkston?? I understand your logic because of the concern for foul trouble with Wright and/or Zack. That's kind of why I think the full press would be big while also NOT playing to their game and simply hoping they're cold from the 3. I think the team should come out with the game plan of full court pressure (mostly after scoring possessions) and then just attacking them on offense (I'll explain). Watching the games this year, esp the Paradise Jam, the team was pretty successful scoring in the pick and roll with Zack. Most times he finished but he was also fouled a few times. I think this team should start off the game with that type of offense while also pounding the post. My goal would be by getting the bigs involved from the start you can hopefully get Pinkston or Ochefu in foul trouble. Then, have the guards driving and kicking constantly which you would hope that they pick up ticky tack fouls from 'Novas guards. This would either get those guards in foul trouble but also, if you're able to pick up fouls on their big men and then have the guards get those ticky tack fouls, it'll be the guards going to the foul line to shoot 1 and 1s which increases the likelihood of converting those into points as opposed to the big men shooting FTs.
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Post by lasalle89 on Dec 11, 2013 12:50:22 GMT -5
Turns out Kansas is not as good as we all thought. Still a big win for Nova but Kansas has been beaten two or three times since then. I have a feeling our boys are coming to pay. If we win this game we can hit the reset button and get back on track. We need a WIN. Not a good showing. We have a veteran team and I feel if we can't get up for this game then we won't get up for any game this year. Let's Go Boys!!!!!
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Post by 23won on Dec 11, 2013 13:16:09 GMT -5
Mookie, we won't get a zebra advantage at the Pavilion, so I wouldn't pin hopes on their bigs getting in foul trouble. Also, I have not seen us press effectively under G. It's not something he focuses on. BTW the best personnel to do that would have been the last two years with Ramon (and last year in particular with Ryan A at the point), not now.
A really good press is something that teams like VCU work on at length and use at different parts of the floor. We don't do that, so rolling out a press would not work well against Ennis, an athletic point, and Hilliard/Bell/Hart, who can dribble past, pass over and finish in transition in a superior way over our guys.
To answer your question, I'd up Rohan's minutes from 10-15 and cover Pinkston. That leaves JW and SZ with less than 15 minutes combined on JP.
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Post by mookie on Dec 11, 2013 16:08:55 GMT -5
23won, I don't expect to get the calls from the refs and I hate playing the game where you rely on the refs. And I agree with you too that we haven't pressed effectively under G. So to implement it now would be a risk and could bite the team in the arse. But, I think if we try to play their game we're going to lose.
Giving Pinkston different looks on defense throughout the game could be really effective though and would ideally keep our bigs from getting into foul trouble.
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Post by scarletexplorer on Dec 12, 2013 8:28:47 GMT -5
Lock the arena so they can't get in.
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Post by La Salle 08 on Dec 13, 2013 10:34:06 GMT -5
I'm sure we'll switch from man to zone throughout the game to give their offense different looks. Need to stay out of foul trouble and thaw out from 3 to have any chance. Nova killed St Joes once Halil picked up his second foul.
I've been to the cathouse twice, once in 2005 when they were #2 and beat us by about a million and 2 years ago when we choked away a 5 point lead with a minute left (Malik Wayns absolutely carried nova that game - also it might have been Bell's first or second game of his career, he sure has turned into a player). I'm definitely not expecting a win Sunday but I'm looking forward to being there.
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Post by SICguy84 on Dec 13, 2013 20:52:41 GMT -5
Perused around Nova board tonight. Consenus over there is that they will handle us easily. We'll see, I have a good feeling about this game for some reason. Also found this ...lol
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Post by durenduren on Dec 14, 2013 1:25:47 GMT -5
What a gem. Thanks Sic. Made the Chimay-infused version of me happy.
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Post by lasalle69bestever on Dec 14, 2013 8:52:00 GMT -5
I actually agreed with something Lappas said on the Nova-St. Joe's broadcast.
If either Wright or Zack get a 2nd foul in the first half (particularly early), don't just sit them down for the rest of the half.
Rotate them in and out a little bit to keep their heads in the game.
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Post by jellybean on Dec 14, 2013 10:52:45 GMT -5
I actually agreed with something Lappas said on the Nova-St. Joe's broadcast. If either Wright or Zack get a 2nd foul in the first half (particularly early), don't just sit them down for the rest of the half. Rotate them in and out a little bit to keep their heads in the game. And what happens when that players gets his third foul with 13 minutes left in the first half?
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