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Post by coachd on Nov 24, 2013 23:51:04 GMT -5
We are not done for the season but I think everyone has that sick feeling in their stomach.... This team is not prepared to dominate like we know they are capable of. If I was G I'd be looking for either a therapist or new assistant coaches.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 24, 2013 23:52:00 GMT -5
Hard to believe you can hold a team to 37% shooting, be even on the glass and TOs, shoot 45% and still lose the ball game.
Just not our year, I loom forward to Garland forcing shots and jacking threes in mid February when nothingatters any more. That, and the first person to suggest we need to fire coach G
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Post by durenduren on Nov 24, 2013 23:52:25 GMT -5
Look, we may as well see what happens tomorrow, but you have every right to be alarmed at this point. You can go through every loss line by line and explain why they're all OK, but the fact is, they're piling up. They've got 7 Non-Con games left before A-10 play starts (Temple game later on) and right now, I see 7-6 or so. Truth hurts. You can only polish a turd so much, because at the end of the day it's still shit.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 24, 2013 23:54:55 GMT -5
A team where everyone on the team got significant minutes on last year's team shouldn't take a quarter of the season to gel. They need to play better. That's as simple as I can make it.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 24, 2013 23:55:19 GMT -5
LOOK* forward, not loom. Stupid auto correct
So....... Anyone think Price or Roberts can play? Also har to believe that 9 months after a run to the sweet 16 it's time to look forward to next year- good thing I didn't completely out away my "same old la Salle" atty tood.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 24, 2013 23:55:56 GMT -5
Team is going to get hot when almost all of the pressure is off. That will probably be too late though.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Nov 24, 2013 23:57:11 GMT -5
Tyreek came alive in the 2nd half. I think he sparked our comeback. DJ, Sam and Khalid were not much help at all on O. So, we need Tyrone in the game but his D inconsistency doesn't cut it when you need stops. His O could also use a little more team orientation.
I think the better team won tonight.
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Post by theneumann64 on Nov 24, 2013 23:59:02 GMT -5
I don't think it's time for that yet, there's still plenty of opportunity for enjoyment this year. But we are moving beyond "slow start." Tomorrow is essentially end end of the first quarter of the season (7 of 30), with a week off after this. They will most likely get better as the year goes on, but in college sports, you don't have that luxury really. The losses they have now will be with them all year.
Plus, they're not playing well, even in their wins.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 25, 2013 0:00:22 GMT -5
You are not going to win games taking stupid shots and making mental mistakes. How the hell does that happen with the veteran squad we have?
Add to that never grtting a loose ball and losing on the glass almost every night and you get what we have seen.
Team really needs to look at itself in the mirror. Not one player has played consistently well this season.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 25, 2013 0:02:51 GMT -5
Add to that never grtting a loose ball and losing on the glass almost every night and you get what we have seen. Swear they fought each other on some of those loose balls....
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Post by durenduren on Nov 25, 2013 0:03:51 GMT -5
The core of this team seems so unemotional, detached, and nonchalant... And I think that's playing into the lack of identity. Everyone's kinda just doing their own thing. And during timeouts, the only one that's got a pulse above 60 is Taylor Dunn.
Not a total loss yet, but we're starting to spin our tires in the mud.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 25, 2013 0:03:57 GMT -5
On the plus side, we didn't waste money for that stupid Longhorn/Fishing Channel Package. Guess we're the St Joe's of 2013. Speak for yourself, but I did avaoid the more costly season ticket commitment Time to face facts, Galloway was a program changer, but only for the time he was here. There isn't a leadership void now, it's a leadership vortex - Duren needs to step up and be the man now and take charge of this team. They all defer to him on the floor and he needs to take the reins and be the man now that his guys need him. Garland can fill it up no doubt, but he's not the leader they need. Regardless, only shot for NCAA is a miracle run in Brooklyn. Face facts now boys ( and any girls) it's all over but the crying on Selection Sunday.There are not enough opportunities for resume wins remaining My only disappointment with the schedule - and hindsight is 20-20 of course so it's easy to say - but I think front loading with Siena, Wagner, Quinnipiac, etc would've been better for this team to get some confidence going early No one is more optimistic than me when it comes to La Salle but there is pretty much no hope left sadly and we haven't even made it to thanksgiving They will get lit up tomorrow b/c it will be a let down game and they won't have enough fire
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Post by durenduren on Nov 25, 2013 0:08:26 GMT -5
My only disappointment with the schedule - and hindsight is 20-20 of course so it's easy to say - but I think front loading with Siena, Wagner, Quinnipiac, etc would've been better for this team to get some confidence going early Agreed, but I can't fault Giannini for this though. It was reasonable to expect a Sweet 16 team losing one player to have a hair of chemistry.
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Post by SICguy84 on Nov 25, 2013 0:15:14 GMT -5
My only disappointment with the schedule - and hindsight is 20-20 of course so it's easy to say - but I think front loading with Siena, Wagner, Quinnipiac, etc would've been better for this team to get some confidence going early Agreed, but I can't fault Giannini for this though. It was reasonable to expect a Sweet 16 team losing one player to have a hair of chemistry. And so many national television games left to showcase ourselves, shudder to think.
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 25, 2013 0:15:23 GMT -5
What's killing the team is length. As in they don't have very tall guards. Adler talked about it in the post-game show. Providence has length and chased our guards off the 3P line. That was their strategy. That was Manhattan's strategy. I didn't see Penn State but I'd imagine that was there's, too.
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Post by explorer88 on Nov 25, 2013 0:20:38 GMT -5
What's killing the team is length. As in they don't have very tall guards. Adler talked about it in the post-game show. Providence has length and chased our guards off the 3P line. That was their strategy. That was Manhattan's strategy. I didn't see Penn State but I'd imagine that was there's, too. Don't understand that. We can beat that by dribble penetration and kicking out to an open shooter. Problem is we don't do that anymore. We did it wonderfully last year. I don't know why we do it this year but that is the reality of where we are now.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 25, 2013 0:20:56 GMT -5
What's killing the team is length. As in they don't have very tall guards. Adler talked about it in the post-game show. Providence has length and chased our guards off the 3P line. That was their strategy. That was Manhattan's strategy. I didn't see Penn State but I'd imagine that was there's, too. Exactly right, it's why we got stomped by STL and couldn't close out against UMassast year. Teams that can put 3 or 4 guys that are 6-3 or so on the wing will beat us all the time despite us keeping it close. It's a terrible match up for this group. The LS team with Rodney Green and co would've beaten this group too. Assuming we are talking about Rodney's junior year. Unfortunately, there are apt of teams with that type of roster on our schedule so get used to frustrating losses like this
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Post by coqui900 on Nov 25, 2013 0:30:28 GMT -5
What's killing the team is length. As in they don't have very tall guards. Adler talked about it in the post-game show. Providence has length and chased our guards off the 3P line. That was their strategy. That was Manhattan's strategy. I didn't see Penn State but I'd imagine that was there's, too. Don't understand that. We can beat that by dribble penetration and kicking out to an open shooter. Problem is we don't do that anymore. We did it wonderfully last year. I don't know why we do it this year but that is the reality of where we are now. I think we're looking to kick out. It's not like G forgot how to coach or these guys forgot how to play. But teams with length and athleticism are challenging our guards to finish at the rim. Garland has the athleticism to do that. Duren's clever to get shots in. But Sam and Khalid and DJ can't. I don't know what the solution is. We had a safety valve last year with a guy who had range and a green light from anywhere within half court who could also break down a defense. We don't have Ramon last year. It's not a matter of leadership or guts or schemes. The team plays cohesively and knows what to do. Just executing is different this year due to size.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 25, 2013 0:30:51 GMT -5
The part that's frightening is that there isn't one issue, it's many issues. Leadership, length, fear of the three point line, our defense with the new rules, Jerrell and Steve, Tyrone's inconsistency and inability to be a two-way player, Tyreek's slow start, DJ's 'deer in headlights' effect... When one flaw is patched with a band aid for a game, there's still several other breakdowns.
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Post by durenduren on Nov 25, 2013 0:33:50 GMT -5
I want to point to any one issue and say, "That's the fix" but the truth is that they've been very mediocre so far, and mediocre teams have a moderate amount of flaws.
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Post by victoriouslasalle on Nov 25, 2013 0:36:37 GMT -5
Hard to believe you can hold a team to 37% shooting, be even on the glass and TOs, shoot 45% and still lose the ball game. Just not our year, I loom forward to Garland forcing shots and jacking threes in mid February when nothingatters any more. That, and the first person to suggest we need to fire coach G Looking at the box it looked pretty even in most areas as you point out---except for the 3's and the foul line. They out shoot us from 3 and were an unbelievable 20/21 from the foul line. 5 dagger 3's that seemed like more. I think we just hit 2.
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Post by player71 on Nov 25, 2013 0:40:16 GMT -5
If we do not hit outside shots we are not going to win. It is that simple. We can play a smaller lineup when we are hitting 3s. If we don't then we are in for a long night on defense.
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Post by luhoopsfan on Nov 25, 2013 0:46:51 GMT -5
Hard to hit a fair # of threes when you only attempt 7 the entire game. 6/16 and 6/18 in the other two losses by the way.
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Post by las71 on Nov 25, 2013 0:48:33 GMT -5
Just got back from the game and simply stated the better team won. At most points in the game Providence was bigger at every position on the floor.They took the 3 point line away from us and sadly our guards are not quick enough to get past their length. Tyreek is incredibly crafty but isn't really a quick player, Sam and DJ are not quick. Tyrone is the only one that is quick but sometimes he tries to do too much. It may be early to make a judgment on Khalid but I don't see him being a threat offensively. I am amazed at the difference the loss of Ramon has had on this team. He gave them length, athleticism and courage and they just haven't replaced any of his attributes. I actually think our bigs are doing better than our guards at this point. At the start of the year I would have been surprised if we didn't make the NCAA's now I will be shocked if we do.
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Post by Gnocchi on Nov 25, 2013 1:02:39 GMT -5
Explorers played hard, fought back but lost to a team with more horses.
Last season three guards could beat a defender off the dribble, finish at the rim or kick out for open threes, and inititate the break; this season there are two (Duren and Garland). Last season Garland provided offense off the bench; this season offense off the bench is lacking. Difference between staying with a good team and beating a good team.
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Post by talkinbball on Nov 25, 2013 10:23:17 GMT -5
What's killing the team is length. As in they don't have very tall guards. Adler talked about it in the post-game show. Providence has length and chased our guards off the 3P line. That was their strategy. That was Manhattan's strategy. I didn't see Penn State but I'd imagine that was there's, too. Don't understand that. We can beat that by dribble penetration and kicking out to an open shooter. Problem is we don't do that anymore. We did it wonderfully last year. I don't know why we do it this year but that is the reality of where we are now. 88 is right on point. While I have not seen all the games, as I mentioned after the first 2, we seem to have completely restructured our offense to pound and attack the rim. The last few years, what gave us identity and paid the most dividends was the drive and dish. We are too slow utilizing both bigs so much. I would like to see us utilize the currently MIA 3 point centric, 4 guard offense we used so successfully before (of course, it would help tremendously if Sam woke up and accepted more responsibility for the offense).
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Post by heftyexpl on Nov 25, 2013 11:01:54 GMT -5
Right now there are a lot of things wrong with the team, but the main factor in both Manhattan and Providence game seem to be allowing second chance opportunities. Yesterday we allow Providence 15 offense rebounds. Our team is too small. Zack and JW are doing their part but our guards, with the exception of Duren, need to help out more with crashing.
Offensively we matched up with Manhattan and Providence in scoring. It's not that we cant hang with these teams. But defense and rebounding seem to be this team's biggest bugaboo.
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